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kergin 08-20-08 10:57 PM

I might just go with Chorus shifters and everything else Centaur... might even go Veloce on the FD, considering I never use the damn thing :P

mrrabbit 08-20-08 11:46 PM

If you want to go decent Campy...

Get the Centaur gruppo...

...but change to Chorus Crankset and Bottom Bracket.

I have Daytona 10sp with Chorus Crankset and Bottom Bracket...

I've never trusted el cheapo Campy BBs - which is why in the past I'd go Record BBs and nowadays Chorus.

...don't hesitate to check out SRAM as well...lotsa folks have great things to say about it.

=8-)

j_amie_ 08-20-08 11:53 PM

OP, sram would be compatible with your shimano wheels

EGreen 08-21-08 03:25 AM


Originally Posted by ShadowGray (Post 7313393)
lol thumb shifting does seem kinda weird... I'd actually like to try one out one of these days.

Anybody with short fingers having problem with the thumb triggers?

I don't have short fingers. However, I and most others that I've known with long or short thumbs have had initial difficulty then have found that right angle in the drops.

EGreen 08-21-08 03:29 AM


Originally Posted by kergin (Post 7313621)
I might just go with Chorus shifters and everything else Centaur... might even go Veloce on the FD, considering I never use the damn thing :P

Whether you use it or not, it's always a sensible idea to skimp on the fd.

Surferbruce 08-21-08 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by kergin (Post 7313621)
I might just go with Chorus shifters and everything else Centaur... might even go Veloce on the FD, considering I never use the damn thing :P

thats my set up exactly.

FlashUNC 08-21-08 06:02 AM

I'm using a mix of mostly Centaur and Veloce on my recent build, and love it. The shifting interface took a bit to get used to, but I like it a lot, and I'm even using that dreaded Escape mech.

Rutnick 08-21-08 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by botto (Post 7312866)
which is why i stopped using that useless **** in the '90s.

ah botto....more FUD.

Rutnick 08-21-08 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by kergin (Post 7312534)
I have a frame which is going to be blasted and powder coated next month, and it will need a grouppo. I've been thinking about a change from Shimano to Campagnolo for a while now, my Cannondale CAAD 9 looks to be the right candidate. Its the 2007 Optimo 3 model with Ultegra brifters... Now my question is, will I notice a big performance jump from Ultegra to Centaur on the CAAD 9? I've never ridden Campy, but I've heard its more durable, repairable, shifts more reliably. If I move to Centaur on the Cannondale, then I'll use the 105/Ultegra parts for the other frame which needs powder coating...

If I move to Campy, I will be using the American Classic conversion cassette. Is there any drawback to that?


campy everything but rear derailer. Use a SRAM rival, red or force RD and it will shift a shimano cassette. That's what I'm doing on one of my bikes. Works like a charm. Centaur brifters, sram rival RD, shimano cassette. Zinn had a writeup on it on Velonews.

The only downside I can think of using an AC conversion cassette is longevity. I wonder about it's durability.

caloso 08-21-08 10:28 AM

Chorus levers and Centaur everything else is super bang for the buck.

stripes 08-21-08 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by kergin (Post 7313621)
I might just go with Chorus shifters and everything else Centaur... might even go Veloce on the FD, considering I never use the damn thing :P

This is exactly what I did. Centaur RD, and Chorus shifters. FD is some random old Campy piece that I had in my parts box. (Cranks are old Athena for that matter.) Everything works great!

I do have a new Centaur UT compact crankset and FD that I might put on. Haven't decided yet.

slimvela 08-21-08 12:09 PM

hell, I switched from Ultegra to Rival on one, and from Ultegra to Mirage on the other. No more Shimano for me.

My experience with them all is that a well adjusted groupset, no matter the flavor, will work as intended. For me it was about better fitting Brifters and crisper shifts.

It's all about what fits you and your tastes. Go for test rides...

Just my .02

3dw 08-21-08 12:37 PM


Chorus levers and Centaur everything else is super bang for the buck.
+1 on this. I think you loose some of the Campy charm with the Escape Mech of the new Centuar shifters. I like being able to shift multiple gears with one swipe of the thumb or finger.

Depending on your needs to you can find the older square taper Carbon Chorus cranks for a good deal...

Lazyass 08-21-08 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by botto (Post 7312866)
which is why i stopped using that useless **** in the '90s.

Which is why you need a class on how to properly adjust your derailers.

veggiemafia 08-21-08 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by EGreen (Post 7314266)
I don't have short fingers. However, I and most others that I've known with long or short thumbs have had initial difficulty then have found that right angle in the drops.

That was my situation with my '06 Chorus (with '06 Record cranks). Shifting from the drops didn't feel clumsy, but it was hard to shift accurately with the thumb shifter, i.e. just one cog, or 2 cogs but not 3, etc.

After I spent about 20 minutes in the drops I got used to it and have been great ever since.

Tequila Joe 08-21-08 01:02 PM

I have a bike with full DA and a bike with full Record. Both are fantastic groups in thier own way and shift fast and precise. I can't say that I prefer one over the other as each exude thier own charactoristics.

You really need to ride both to judge for youself.

pagliaci 08-21-08 01:04 PM

Trigger shifters are dumb. You may as well get Shimano Sora.

kergin 08-21-08 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by pagliaci (Post 7317129)
Trigger shifters are dumb. You may as well get Shimano Sora.

Thanks for your input :rolleyes:

Flak 08-21-08 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by pagliaci (Post 7317129)
Trigger shifters are dumb. You may as well get Shimano Sora.

Been there, done that; you're an idiot.

Surferbruce 08-21-08 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by pagliaci (Post 7317129)
Trigger shifters are dumb. You may as well get Shimano Sora.

uugghhhh...ok dude...time to step off the little yellow bus and take off your helmet.

cpa4u 08-21-08 05:48 PM


I have a bike with full DA and a bike with full Record. Both are fantastic groups in thier own way and shift fast and precise. I can't say that I prefer one over the other as each exude thier own charactoristics.
This is the most reasonable quote i have seen to date on this argument.

55/Rad 08-21-08 06:02 PM

Campy vs. Shimano.....hmmmmmmm

I like pie.

Flak 08-21-08 06:26 PM

Pfft....cake is where it's at!

Fat Boy 08-21-08 06:26 PM

I've got a bike on Ultegra, one on Force, and one on older Mirage.

I like the Ultegra least of the 3, Force the best. I have to say, the Campy Mirage, even though it's old, isn't bad. For racing, I think the SRAM has a little better shifting position, but overall that's a minor gripe. Thumb shifting the Campy while sprinting in the drops is easy enough, I just have to remember which bike I'm on so I do the right thing.

If I had to convert to one setup for all three, it'd be SRAM, but the performance/cost ratio is real low for converting.

kergin 09-04-08 08:56 PM

So I had the upgrade done - straight to full 2008 Centaur with an American Classic cassette for my Mike Garcia wheels. Overall opinion is...very smooth cranks & BB; much more so than the R600 cranks that were removed. Shifting is very positive; however, I think the paddle position will take some getting used to.

The only knock against the group? brakes aren't as smooth as Shimano.

Will post pics once I get better light.


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