Bike recommendations…I don’t want a bike made in China or Taiwan
09-23-08, 08:03 AM
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Mr Bubbles-
I’m one person not the entire US. I cannot help where I was born. Do think I agree with the F’ed up government down her. Well, I don’t. Should I move to Canada? Sorry it’s so cold up there.
You say buy the bike you like regardless of where it is made. What does that mean? The prettiest colors? Can you really jump on a bike at LBS and determine what the ride quality is like? So you have Canadian Cevelo made in China. I sure you paid a nice price for it. You could have just bought a Giant and saved yourself some cash. You paid for a name. You probably work at a bike shop becasue most of us don't get our bikes drop shipped from China in a box. I don't know about Ceverlo but lots of companies put Made In "wherever" stickers on their bikes. I just want to know the real deal.
I appreciate the helpful suggestions from most people. I was just asking a question. I wasn’t trying pass judgment on anyone. Here is a helpful link if anyone is interested.
https://allanti.com/page.cfm?PageID=328
I’m one person not the entire US. I cannot help where I was born. Do think I agree with the F’ed up government down her. Well, I don’t. Should I move to Canada? Sorry it’s so cold up there.
You say buy the bike you like regardless of where it is made. What does that mean? The prettiest colors? Can you really jump on a bike at LBS and determine what the ride quality is like? So you have Canadian Cevelo made in China. I sure you paid a nice price for it. You could have just bought a Giant and saved yourself some cash. You paid for a name. You probably work at a bike shop becasue most of us don't get our bikes drop shipped from China in a box. I don't know about Ceverlo but lots of companies put Made In "wherever" stickers on their bikes. I just want to know the real deal.
I appreciate the helpful suggestions from most people. I was just asking a question. I wasn’t trying pass judgment on anyone. Here is a helpful link if anyone is interested.
https://allanti.com/page.cfm?PageID=328
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Mr Bubbles-
I’m one person not the entire US. I cannot help where I was born. Do think I agree with the F’ed up government down her. Well, I don’t. Should I move to Canada? Sorry it’s so cold up there.
You say buy the bike you like regardless of where it is made. What does that mean? The prettiest colors? Can you really jump on a bike at LBS and determine what the ride quality is like? So you have Canadian Cevelo made in China. I sure you paid a nice price for it. You could have just bought a Giant and saved yourself some cash. You paid for a name.
I appreciate the helpful suggestions from most people. I was just asking a question. I wasn’t trying pass judgment on anyone. Here is a helpful link if anyone is interested.
https://allanti.com/page.cfm?PageID=328
I’m one person not the entire US. I cannot help where I was born. Do think I agree with the F’ed up government down her. Well, I don’t. Should I move to Canada? Sorry it’s so cold up there.
You say buy the bike you like regardless of where it is made. What does that mean? The prettiest colors? Can you really jump on a bike at LBS and determine what the ride quality is like? So you have Canadian Cevelo made in China. I sure you paid a nice price for it. You could have just bought a Giant and saved yourself some cash. You paid for a name.
I appreciate the helpful suggestions from most people. I was just asking a question. I wasn’t trying pass judgment on anyone. Here is a helpful link if anyone is interested.
https://allanti.com/page.cfm?PageID=328
just sayin'
09-23-08, 09:38 AM
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Including the fork!
I like to do long, hard, one day rides, club rides, centuries, etc. I commute on my steel Bianchi 2003 Eros (Campy Mirage) about 100 miles a week. Currently, that’s my only bike and I want to keep that as my commuter bike but I’m looking to lighten up a bit. My Bianchi is 23 pounds and I’m sick of losing ground on folks on the hills out here in Seattle. On the flats and rollers is no big deal, but there are some very steep hills out here. I’m pretty sure I want steel but some cyclists I respect were telling me to try carbon. What are your thoughts? Can I get a 16 pound or 17 pound steel frame bike built up?
Probably can’t really spend more than about $2,500 on a frame. I want to get a good gruppo (SRAM Red) and decent wheel set. I’d like to be about $5,000 or so all in. So I can’t afford a Waterford, Vanilla, Richard Sachs, etc. I’m sure anything I get will be a change from my 5 year old $900 bike. I have a very good job now and make more money but the biggest reason for me is that I’ve been riding a ton over the last year and have gotten really strong. I think a nice bike will really take me over the top.
Any suggestions would be helpful?
Thanks a bunch!
J
PS –I’m 5’10 and 160 pounds. Don’t respond if you’re just going to say lose 5 pounds. I don’t have it to lose.
I like to do long, hard, one day rides, club rides, centuries, etc. I commute on my steel Bianchi 2003 Eros (Campy Mirage) about 100 miles a week. Currently, that’s my only bike and I want to keep that as my commuter bike but I’m looking to lighten up a bit. My Bianchi is 23 pounds and I’m sick of losing ground on folks on the hills out here in Seattle. On the flats and rollers is no big deal, but there are some very steep hills out here. I’m pretty sure I want steel but some cyclists I respect were telling me to try carbon. What are your thoughts? Can I get a 16 pound or 17 pound steel frame bike built up?
Probably can’t really spend more than about $2,500 on a frame. I want to get a good gruppo (SRAM Red) and decent wheel set. I’d like to be about $5,000 or so all in. So I can’t afford a Waterford, Vanilla, Richard Sachs, etc. I’m sure anything I get will be a change from my 5 year old $900 bike. I have a very good job now and make more money but the biggest reason for me is that I’ve been riding a ton over the last year and have gotten really strong. I think a nice bike will really take me over the top.
Any suggestions would be helpful?
Thanks a bunch!
J
PS –I’m 5’10 and 160 pounds. Don’t respond if you’re just going to say lose 5 pounds. I don’t have it to lose.
You can probably get a mid-level Cannondale SystemSix (which, I believe, has all of its components made in the USA) at around that price, as well as a mid-level Trek Madone 5.5 with Shimano Ultegra SL (all components, except the drivetrain, are manufactured in Wisconsin). I don't know of any other mainstream manufacturers who are selling bikes that are completely produced here. You can also go the Italian route, but I think Colnago and Pinarello have also joined the overseas bandwagon. Does Wilier send manufacturing overseas too?
If steel is what you're looking for, you might be in a tough position. Considering that most mainstream manufacturers don't even offer steel bikes in favor of pushing carbon fiber ones, you will have to look a bit hard to find what you're looking for. An advantage in doing this is that you'll probably find a bike that was built either here in the United States or in Italy.
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OP, you do realize that Bianchi's steel bikes are made in Taiwan. I'm reasonably sure that your 2003 Eros was built in Taiwan.
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OK, Everyone. Calm down. I know my toaster is made in China and I just love the toast it makes. I also know my Bianchi that I do love is made in Asia even though they have a made in Italy sticker on it. Nowhere in my original post do I talk about that fact that I only want a bike made in the US. Actually, from an earlier post I am now looking at a Time and Look bikes. Also, I’m talking about the frame and fork not the cables and everything else on the bike.
I’m not talking about quality I’m just looking for disclosure. Maybe I’m crazy but I would like to know if the food I eat has been genetically modified too.
I’m not talking about quality I’m just looking for disclosure. Maybe I’m crazy but I would like to know if the food I eat has been genetically modified too.
09-23-08, 09:54 AM
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Interesting that 'j in seattle' is a xenophobe for not wanting Chinese/Taiwan, but it's fine to act like all Americans are fools. It sniffs of a double standard. The truth is that buying products made in your own country is an economically intelligent thing to do as a whole if the product is one that you genuinely want to own. My next bike is going to be a Waterford. It'll probably be a couple years before that happens. I don't care, they make a great product.
I agree that a $1500 bike is no faster than a $5000 one. In all honesty, you could probably say the same about an $800 bike. Whatever, we all have more in our rigs than that. Those in the glass house.....
If he wants to buy a certain type of bike, why should any one of us really care? Provide him a little information to make the purchase he wants or ignore the thread....why go on a rant?
Anyway, he's gotten a bunch of good options. I doubt if any of us could put together an entirely non-Asian bike, but he's trying to. Let us know how it turns out.
I agree that a $1500 bike is no faster than a $5000 one. In all honesty, you could probably say the same about an $800 bike. Whatever, we all have more in our rigs than that. Those in the glass house.....
If he wants to buy a certain type of bike, why should any one of us really care? Provide him a little information to make the purchase he wants or ignore the thread....why go on a rant?
Anyway, he's gotten a bunch of good options. I doubt if any of us could put together an entirely non-Asian bike, but he's trying to. Let us know how it turns out.
09-23-08, 10:37 AM
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Most food you eat is already genetically modified, regardless of where it comes from. And if you include selective breeding (which is just an old-fashioned form of genetic modification), then it's impossible to eat anything domesticated that hasn't been genetically modified.
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Ditto on this recommendation. I am biased though because this is what I ride and I don't care that it says Made in Italy and it's made by some machine in Taiwan, lol.
But if you really are concerned about avoiding a "Made in Asia" bike, lose five pounds and go down to your LBS and test out some rides.
Personally, with your budget, and if I cared about where the bike was made, I would probably get a Ridley Noah decked out with a SRAM Red groupo and Fulcrum Zeros or Easton EC90 tubulars because that would seriously be a hot ride. And it's hand made in Belgium, home of Merckx, so it has to be good! j/k.
But seriously, Ridley Noah, hot ride!
But if you really are concerned about avoiding a "Made in Asia" bike, lose five pounds and go down to your LBS and test out some rides.
Personally, with your budget, and if I cared about where the bike was made, I would probably get a Ridley Noah decked out with a SRAM Red groupo and Fulcrum Zeros or Easton EC90 tubulars because that would seriously be a hot ride. And it's hand made in Belgium, home of Merckx, so it has to be good! j/k.
But seriously, Ridley Noah, hot ride!
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Personally, with your budget, and if I cared about where the bike was made, I would probably get a Ridley Noah decked out with a SRAM Red groupo and Fulcrum Zeros or Easton EC90 tubulars because that would seriously be a hot ride. And it's hand made in Belgium, home of Merckx, so it has to be good! j/k.
Eddy Merckx frames are built in Europe, for what it's worth.
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$5000.
That rig is exactly what you need to pound the hills. Nearly everything on it is made in Asia, so watch out.
That rig is exactly what you need to pound the hills. Nearly everything on it is made in Asia, so watch out.
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OK, Everyone. Calm down. I know my toaster is made in China and I just love the toast it makes. I also know my Bianchi that I do love is made in Asia even though they have a made in Italy sticker on it. Nowhere in my original post do I talk about that fact that I only want a bike made in the US. Actually, from an earlier post I am now looking at a Time and Look bikes. Also, I’m talking about the frame and fork not the cables and everything else on the bike.
I’m not talking about quality I’m just looking for disclosure. Maybe I’m crazy but I would like to know if the food I eat has been genetically modified too.
I’m not talking about quality I’m just looking for disclosure. Maybe I’m crazy but I would like to know if the food I eat has been genetically modified too.
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Mr Bubbles-
I’m one person not the entire US. I cannot help where I was born. Do think I agree with the F’ed up government down her. Well, I don’t. Should I move to Canada? Sorry it’s so cold up there.
You say buy the bike you like regardless of where it is made. What does that mean? The prettiest colors? Can you really jump on a bike at LBS and determine what the ride quality is like? So you have Canadian Cevelo made in China. I sure you paid a nice price for it. You could have just bought a Giant and saved yourself some cash. You paid for a name. You probably work at a bike shop becasue most of us don't get our bikes drop shipped from China in a box. I don't know about Ceverlo but lots of companies put Made In "wherever" stickers on their bikes. I just want to know the real deal.
I appreciate the helpful suggestions from most people. I was just asking a question. I wasn’t trying pass judgment on anyone. Here is a helpful link if anyone is interested.
https://allanti.com/page.cfm?PageID=328
I’m one person not the entire US. I cannot help where I was born. Do think I agree with the F’ed up government down her. Well, I don’t. Should I move to Canada? Sorry it’s so cold up there.
You say buy the bike you like regardless of where it is made. What does that mean? The prettiest colors? Can you really jump on a bike at LBS and determine what the ride quality is like? So you have Canadian Cevelo made in China. I sure you paid a nice price for it. You could have just bought a Giant and saved yourself some cash. You paid for a name. You probably work at a bike shop becasue most of us don't get our bikes drop shipped from China in a box. I don't know about Ceverlo but lots of companies put Made In "wherever" stickers on their bikes. I just want to know the real deal.
I appreciate the helpful suggestions from most people. I was just asking a question. I wasn’t trying pass judgment on anyone. Here is a helpful link if anyone is interested.
https://allanti.com/page.cfm?PageID=328
I wouldn't be surprised if Campagnolo sourced their carbon fibres from Torayca as well, hell, Asia makes 90% of the world's carbon fibre, for everything.
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You could probably get a Merckx carbon fiber made in Italy with a Campy group (I think they're still made in Italy) within your budget. GVH Bikes has an MXM frame for $2250.
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There's ATR in Italy and Edge Composites in Utah, along with a few smaller manufacturers in the US and Western Europe.
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Actually much of Campy's production now takes place in Romania.
I believe the CF work is still done in Itally, the Forging is done in Romania.
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I have a couple of suggestions for American made bikes.
If you are considering carbon in your price range, Calfee can build you a Luna Pro for $1,495. A Luna Pro is a hand built carbon fiber bike made in California. I had one and it is a great bike with and excellent ride characteristics. It performs well and is very comfortable on long rides. I would still own it if I hadn't upgraded to a Calfee Tetra Pro. A Tetra Pro is $2,395.00
For $2695.00 you can get a Calfee Bamboo Pro which is the most comfortable bike I have ever ridden hands down by far. It really eliminates road vibration, even better than carbon fiber and it looks like a piece of art work.
One great thing about Calfee is that even if you were to break the bike in half, he can fix it.
If you want steel or Ti, there is a Kish Bikes in California. He can make you a custom steel frame for $1,500 or a custom Ti frame for $2,350.00. Jim Kish teaches frame building at the United Bicycle Institute and builds an excellent bike.
If you are considering carbon in your price range, Calfee can build you a Luna Pro for $1,495. A Luna Pro is a hand built carbon fiber bike made in California. I had one and it is a great bike with and excellent ride characteristics. It performs well and is very comfortable on long rides. I would still own it if I hadn't upgraded to a Calfee Tetra Pro. A Tetra Pro is $2,395.00
For $2695.00 you can get a Calfee Bamboo Pro which is the most comfortable bike I have ever ridden hands down by far. It really eliminates road vibration, even better than carbon fiber and it looks like a piece of art work.
One great thing about Calfee is that even if you were to break the bike in half, he can fix it.
If you want steel or Ti, there is a Kish Bikes in California. He can make you a custom steel frame for $1,500 or a custom Ti frame for $2,350.00. Jim Kish teaches frame building at the United Bicycle Institute and builds an excellent bike.
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"TIME weaves its own custom tubular carbon layers in its RTM factory in France. This gives TIME’s engineers total control of the technical characteristics of each carbon layer, as well as total freedom of shape of the frame component parts."
Big +1 on the Calfee.