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09-24-08, 10:32 AM
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How about a reminder that it is generally good practice to sit back and get a feel for the tone of the community you are entering before you begin posting and getting upset about responses. There is a certain amount of BS that flies in the RC that makes it an enjoyable place to visit. There are a lot of jewels hidden in here among the BS. I have learned a ton from the people that post here and had a good time doing it.
09-24-08, 10:34 AM
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Jeesch...
I read 4 pages or so to try and figure out what has been going on and gave up. I've not been around that much lately, and it appears I've missed some drama. From what I can surmise, it looks like some personalities have clashed.
Whatever.
I've been a member for a while. I signed up for the ad-free red star thing a few months ago. I'm not sure what a titanium membership is, but again, I haven't actually been signing on that much lately, so I'm sure I'll read all about it in time.
As for 'over-moderation'; I've usually found myself giving the benefit of the doubt to the moderators. Since I haven't witnessed what all the current fuss is about, I'm inclined to do the same now (I feel as if I've stated this before...) There's a fine line to walk between allowing forums to go unchecked and creating an environment where people might actually want to post. It's a no-win game for them in a lot of ways, especially if they're a stakeholder of some type (obviously, more than just being a member). If they do nothing: no new members will want to join; current members will eventually grow tired of the same old crap posted over and over again; and eventually you'll just be left with a bunch of asshats flaming each other. Eventually, they too will tire of this. It seems when they do anything there's a big fuss about them abusing their powers.
That all said, I sympathize with people not wanting the forum to be censored or interfered with too much. My feeling on this is that if I'm willing to ask moderators 'not be too sensitive' and lay off on the over-moderation, I too might need to be not so sensitive and realize that things are going to get moved/censored/edited/deleted/etc... that I don't agree with. In the end, is it the end of the world? I imagine that any conversation you were participating in prior to that action is probably duplicated elsewhere anyways.
I read 4 pages or so to try and figure out what has been going on and gave up. I've not been around that much lately, and it appears I've missed some drama. From what I can surmise, it looks like some personalities have clashed.
Whatever.
I've been a member for a while. I signed up for the ad-free red star thing a few months ago. I'm not sure what a titanium membership is, but again, I haven't actually been signing on that much lately, so I'm sure I'll read all about it in time.
As for 'over-moderation'; I've usually found myself giving the benefit of the doubt to the moderators. Since I haven't witnessed what all the current fuss is about, I'm inclined to do the same now (I feel as if I've stated this before...) There's a fine line to walk between allowing forums to go unchecked and creating an environment where people might actually want to post. It's a no-win game for them in a lot of ways, especially if they're a stakeholder of some type (obviously, more than just being a member). If they do nothing: no new members will want to join; current members will eventually grow tired of the same old crap posted over and over again; and eventually you'll just be left with a bunch of asshats flaming each other. Eventually, they too will tire of this. It seems when they do anything there's a big fuss about them abusing their powers.
That all said, I sympathize with people not wanting the forum to be censored or interfered with too much. My feeling on this is that if I'm willing to ask moderators 'not be too sensitive' and lay off on the over-moderation, I too might need to be not so sensitive and realize that things are going to get moved/censored/edited/deleted/etc... that I don't agree with. In the end, is it the end of the world? I imagine that any conversation you were participating in prior to that action is probably duplicated elsewhere anyways.
09-24-08, 10:35 AM
#228
Throw the stick!!!!
This is just an idea but would something like this be a little better? It is sort of the same thing, just different and not as cut and dry. Also, keep in mind I just did this real quick so I haven't done any editing or spell checking. I'm trying to figure out something to help during my lunch break.
Instead of:
How about something like:
Road cycing threads are to be road cycling related. If the threads get too far off topic they may be moved to a more fitting forum. There will be a redirect posted and the original poster will be notified explaining why the thread was moved.
Please treat others as you would like to be treated. Name calling or posts showing disrespect will not be permitted and may cause your post to be removed and if excessive may result in pm's, warnings, or infractions which could lead to a temporary or permanent ban.
Please keep threads on topic. It isn't fair to the original poster to throw their thread so far off topic that it has to be moved.
If you have a question about moderation or just feel like bashing me please do so via pm. If myself or another mod can't help you please pm an admin about the problem. We are here to help and hope to create a fun, relaxing atmosphere for everyone here including ourselves.
We still encourage everyone here to joke around, cut up, give each other a hard time etc, etc. However, if it starts getting too bad please try to understand and respect our decisions if we need to edit or delete a post or thread in extreme circumstances. Just because we need to "censor" your post or send you a pm doesn't mean that we have a problem with you, it just means that in this instance things went a little too far.
Basicly, lets try to make this a better place for everyone.
Instead of:
Today is a new day in regards to moderation in the 'road bike' section of BF.
All threads in the 'road bike' section will be directly related to road cycling. Directly related.
There will be a zero tolerance policy to name calling.
There will be a zero tolerance policy towards disrespectfulness
All posts in a thread should pertain to the thread at hand.
If you have a question about 'moderation' it must be done in private via PM.
Why is this happening? Simply because too many members are commenting that they dont feel welcome in a variety of the forums.
Being polite, cordial and friendly is easy. Being nasty, sarcastic and contributing nonsense takes effort.
If you havent noticed there's a new sticky in regards to the new policy. While reading, you'll notice the 'new style' has been approved at the highest levels.
Feel free to contact me via PM if you have any questions.
All threads in the 'road bike' section will be directly related to road cycling. Directly related.
There will be a zero tolerance policy to name calling.
There will be a zero tolerance policy towards disrespectfulness
All posts in a thread should pertain to the thread at hand.
If you have a question about 'moderation' it must be done in private via PM.
Why is this happening? Simply because too many members are commenting that they dont feel welcome in a variety of the forums.
Being polite, cordial and friendly is easy. Being nasty, sarcastic and contributing nonsense takes effort.
If you havent noticed there's a new sticky in regards to the new policy. While reading, you'll notice the 'new style' has been approved at the highest levels.
Feel free to contact me via PM if you have any questions.
Road cycing threads are to be road cycling related. If the threads get too far off topic they may be moved to a more fitting forum. There will be a redirect posted and the original poster will be notified explaining why the thread was moved.
Please treat others as you would like to be treated. Name calling or posts showing disrespect will not be permitted and may cause your post to be removed and if excessive may result in pm's, warnings, or infractions which could lead to a temporary or permanent ban.
Please keep threads on topic. It isn't fair to the original poster to throw their thread so far off topic that it has to be moved.
If you have a question about moderation or just feel like bashing me please do so via pm. If myself or another mod can't help you please pm an admin about the problem. We are here to help and hope to create a fun, relaxing atmosphere for everyone here including ourselves.
We still encourage everyone here to joke around, cut up, give each other a hard time etc, etc. However, if it starts getting too bad please try to understand and respect our decisions if we need to edit or delete a post or thread in extreme circumstances. Just because we need to "censor" your post or send you a pm doesn't mean that we have a problem with you, it just means that in this instance things went a little too far.
Basicly, lets try to make this a better place for everyone.
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09-24-08, 10:36 AM
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He's still listed as a moderator: https://www.bikeforums.net/showgroups.php
09-24-08, 10:37 AM
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See botto's post. Or just click here: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...48#post7528648
edit: Enthalpic did a great job summing up the spark that lit the fire.
edit: Enthalpic did a great job summing up the spark that lit the fire.
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09-24-08, 10:38 AM
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incorrect.....
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09-24-08, 10:39 AM
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Throw the stick!!!!
Yep, otherwise I wouldn't be reading everything I can and pm'ing various members getting opinions and trying to figure out a solution. If I didn't care I would just have set back and never even gotten involved. After all, nobody was even mad at me this time. 
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09-24-08, 10:41 AM
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yet. Nobody was even mad at you this time yet.
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09-24-08, 10:43 AM
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Throw the stick!!!!
Good point, but I'm going to be out of town the next four days so I won't be here for anyone to yell at. 
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09-24-08, 10:44 AM
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Thanks for the post Enthalpic. He's dead wrong. Moderation shouldn't be like parenting...we're not your kids and shouldn't be treated as such.
The Road Forum gets a ton of traffic and posts. I would say that the number of people comfortable posting here outweighs the number who aren't. Posts (not unlike real life conversations) go off topic and you know what...that's life. It's okay for that to happen. Sometimes the best information is gleaned that way if you're paying attention.
The Road Forum gets a ton of traffic and posts. I would say that the number of people comfortable posting here outweighs the number who aren't. Posts (not unlike real life conversations) go off topic and you know what...that's life. It's okay for that to happen. Sometimes the best information is gleaned that way if you're paying attention.
09-24-08, 10:47 AM
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It is also very upsetting to see somebody ask a question and receive an answer of HTFU. Not only is that answer completely unhelpful, but it is rude as well. On the plus side, when I see extremely demeaning responses to questions, I almost always see a follow up from another poster telling the rude individual to cool it.
09-24-08, 10:47 AM
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If there's not, I propose that greech be given some bike specific definition. My suggestion is that we remove one of two alternative definitions of 'fred', apply greech to it, and then there won't be any more confusion.
09-24-08, 10:48 AM
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I think there are a couple issues here that need to be addressed independently:
1) New users who don't feel welcomed.
2) Moderators who are unfamiliar to the Road Cycling forum suddenly showing up and enforcing previously unenforced forum guidelines without any announcement. This stems from multiple instances of #1.
3) Users who are unhappy with #2 and oblivious about #1 who want to express their discontent about the rapid rate at which things are changing but cannot because their threads get axed by moderators who are unfamiliar to the Road Cycling user base.
1) New users who don't feel welcomed.
2) Moderators who are unfamiliar to the Road Cycling forum suddenly showing up and enforcing previously unenforced forum guidelines without any announcement. This stems from multiple instances of #1.
3) Users who are unhappy with #2 and oblivious about #1 who want to express their discontent about the rapid rate at which things are changing but cannot because their threads get axed by moderators who are unfamiliar to the Road Cycling user base.
09-24-08, 10:50 AM
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This is just an idea but would something like this be a little better? It is sort of the same thing, just different and not as cut and dry. Also, keep in mind I just did this real quick so I haven't done any editing or spell checking. I'm trying to figure out something to help during my lunch break.
Instead of:
How about something like:
Road cycing threads are to be road cycling related. If the threads get too far off topic they may be moved to a more fitting forum. There will be a redirect posted and the original poster will be notified explaining why the thread was moved.
Please treat others as you would like to be treated. Name calling or posts showing disrespect will not be permitted and may cause your post to be removed and if excessive may result in pm's, warnings, or infractions which could lead to a temporary or permanent ban.
Please keep threads on topic. It isn't fair to the original poster to throw their thread so far off topic that it has to be moved.
If you have a question about moderation or just feel like bashing me please do so via pm. If myself or another mod can't help you please pm an admin about the problem. We are here to help and hope to create a fun, relaxing atmosphere for everyone here including ourselves.
We still encourage everyone here to joke around, cut up, give each other a hard time etc, etc. However, if it starts getting too bad please try to understand and respect our decisions if we need to edit or delete a post or thread in extreme circumstances. Just because we need to "censor" your post or send you a pm doesn't mean that we have a problem with you, it just means that in this instance things went a little too far.
Basicly, lets try to make this a better place for everyone.
Instead of:
How about something like:
Road cycing threads are to be road cycling related. If the threads get too far off topic they may be moved to a more fitting forum. There will be a redirect posted and the original poster will be notified explaining why the thread was moved.
Please treat others as you would like to be treated. Name calling or posts showing disrespect will not be permitted and may cause your post to be removed and if excessive may result in pm's, warnings, or infractions which could lead to a temporary or permanent ban.
Please keep threads on topic. It isn't fair to the original poster to throw their thread so far off topic that it has to be moved.
If you have a question about moderation or just feel like bashing me please do so via pm. If myself or another mod can't help you please pm an admin about the problem. We are here to help and hope to create a fun, relaxing atmosphere for everyone here including ourselves.
We still encourage everyone here to joke around, cut up, give each other a hard time etc, etc. However, if it starts getting too bad please try to understand and respect our decisions if we need to edit or delete a post or thread in extreme circumstances. Just because we need to "censor" your post or send you a pm doesn't mean that we have a problem with you, it just means that in this instance things went a little too far.
Basicly, lets try to make this a better place for everyone.
....
wait...nvrmnd.
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09-24-08, 10:52 AM
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Feel free to foward all of Lowcell's yell's to me. I honestly love the RC forum as much as any of you. While I am a small part of the BF mod team, road cycling is where I have always hung my hat (4,200 posts..) . Everyone has there own moderation style and mine is this...If I have to question if it is right or wrong....then it is probably ok. Ill do my best to help BF be the best forum out there.......That's about all I have to say.
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09-24-08, 10:52 AM
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You mean sneetch? Unless there's some roadie definition of greech that I'm not privy to (like when we first started talking about OCP)
If there's not, I propose that greech be given some bike specific definition. My suggestion is that we remove one of two alternative definitions of 'fred', apply greech to it, and then there won't be any more confusion.
If there's not, I propose that greech be given some bike specific definition. My suggestion is that we remove one of two alternative definitions of 'fred', apply greech to it, and then there won't be any more confusion.
09-24-08, 10:53 AM
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if the jocks would just stay in the racing forum, none of these problems would have come up... they could yell at each other in peace, and tell each other to flip it ad nauseum. maybe an OCP sub-forum would be a good idea too.
(sort of kidding, then again not really)
and someone posted about how mods let 'certain' users slide b/c they supposedly generate page-views, and this is totally true. and i understand the logic. i just wish they'd admit it.
let's name more names!!! (who else besides blotto?)
i still think that:
1) mods should be voted for by the users of a sub-forum (e.g. they pick one of them to mod).
2) we should adopt a Yahoo Answers-style where you receive points for answering a question correctly. trust is then built upon how many points you have.
3) again, jocks should stay in the racing forum, where they belong. they can whip each other with towels and all that fun stuff all day long, but keep it in the 'locker room'!
carry on.
PS i did think it was silly that Vireo was warned for defending tilted brooks saddles in my weekend-ride post.. jim was a little over-reaching there for sure. btw jim i feel kind of bad for you, i'm sure you're a nice person!
(sort of kidding, then again not really)
and someone posted about how mods let 'certain' users slide b/c they supposedly generate page-views, and this is totally true. and i understand the logic. i just wish they'd admit it.
let's name more names!!! (who else besides blotto?)
i still think that:
1) mods should be voted for by the users of a sub-forum (e.g. they pick one of them to mod).
2) we should adopt a Yahoo Answers-style where you receive points for answering a question correctly. trust is then built upon how many points you have.
3) again, jocks should stay in the racing forum, where they belong. they can whip each other with towels and all that fun stuff all day long, but keep it in the 'locker room'!
carry on.
PS i did think it was silly that Vireo was warned for defending tilted brooks saddles in my weekend-ride post.. jim was a little over-reaching there for sure. btw jim i feel kind of bad for you, i'm sure you're a nice person!
09-24-08, 10:53 AM
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How about something like:
Road cycing threads are to be road cycling related. If the threads get too far off topic we they may be moved to a more fitting forum. There will be a redirect posted and the original poster will be notified explaining why the thread was moved.
Please treat others as you would like to be treated. Name calling or posts showing disrespect will not be permitted and may cause your post to be removed and if excessive may result in pm's, warnings, or infractions which could lead to a temporary or permanent ban.
Please keep threads on topic. It isn't fair to the original poster to throw their thread so far off topic that it has to be moved.
Basicly, lets try to make this a better place for everyone.
Road cycing threads are to be road cycling related. If the threads get too far off topic we they may be moved to a more fitting forum. There will be a redirect posted and the original poster will be notified explaining why the thread was moved.
Please treat others as you would like to be treated. Name calling or posts showing disrespect will not be permitted and may cause your post to be removed and if excessive may result in pm's, warnings, or infractions which could lead to a temporary or permanent ban.
Please keep threads on topic. It isn't fair to the original poster to throw their thread so far off topic that it has to be moved.
Basicly, lets try to make this a better place for everyone.
09-24-08, 10:54 AM
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Thanks for coming out everybody. You've been great. This thread is now closed, but come back tomorrow!
09-24-08, 10:55 AM
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09-24-08, 10:56 AM
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Funny, but not very productive given Tom's efforts in creating this thread and keeping it open.
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09-24-08, 10:58 AM
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Who are the jocks? Anyone that races?
09-24-08, 11:00 AM
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i am a more infrequent browser/poster than i have been in the past. When i first joined, i lurked a lot. I am a roadie so i hung around that forum. I learned who the helpful people were and who the funny people were. I even learned who the asinine bungholes were. In some cases, there were overlaps in the lists.
You know, that is a pretty accurate representation of the real world of road cycling. There are those that i have ridden with that are arrogant and rude, others that are helpful. Some that are abrasive, yet chock full of information. Yet i still ride. And i still visit bf-road cycling. Bf is not a shang-ri-la and neither is cycling. My opinion is that if you don't like a post/poster, take your heart off your sleeve and go on to the next post.
You know, that is a pretty accurate representation of the real world of road cycling. There are those that i have ridden with that are arrogant and rude, others that are helpful. Some that are abrasive, yet chock full of information. Yet i still ride. And i still visit bf-road cycling. Bf is not a shang-ri-la and neither is cycling. My opinion is that if you don't like a post/poster, take your heart off your sleeve and go on to the next post.
09-24-08, 11:06 AM
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Can you substantiate that somehow?
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