Tubeless Wheels/Tires
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Tubeless Wheels/Tires
I'm looking to go with new Tubeless wheels/tires for my 2007 Roubaix S-Works that I'm upgrading. I was thinking about Campagnolo's new Shamal Ultra 2-Way Fit wheels. What is the word on this wheelset from previous years? Any known issues?
Also, are there any tubeless tires other than Hutchinson’s at this time?
Thanks
Also, are there any tubeless tires other than Hutchinson’s at this time?
Thanks
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I have a set of the new Shamal 2 way wheels. They are great. Installation is just like a clincher (except you don't need to worry about the inner tube being in correctly). You do need to pay attention to where the bead lines up, but no more than you would with a clincher, it just seats differently.
Right now, I think the Hutchinson's are the only thing available, I wonder if the Specialized are just re-branded Hutchinsons?
I am using Stan's sealant & haven't had a cut in the tires, or a flat after about 10 2-3 hour rides. I am coming off of riding tubulars for 25+ years (I rode clinchers for a brief period), & the tubeless ride is great. Very smooth, running 90 psi, cornering grip is much better.
Right now, I think the Hutchinson's are the only thing available, I wonder if the Specialized are just re-branded Hutchinsons?
I am using Stan's sealant & haven't had a cut in the tires, or a flat after about 10 2-3 hour rides. I am coming off of riding tubulars for 25+ years (I rode clinchers for a brief period), & the tubeless ride is great. Very smooth, running 90 psi, cornering grip is much better.
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So far I'm totally diggin the Dura-Ace 7850sl's. I'll have a review in a little while. (And, if you look in the right places, you can get these wheels for around $800; but watch out on the Hutchinson tires, they now go for $70 at the lowest; they used to be around $40).
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DanMartin, thanks for the Shamal 2 way wheel info. They were my first choice until I saw the Fulcrums.
It seems that Fulcrum Racing Zero's 2-way fit are very similar to the Shamal 2 way fit wheels. Not sure if they have the carbon hubs or not. Anybody have any experience with the Zeros?
It seems that Fulcrum Racing Zero's 2-way fit are very similar to the Shamal 2 way fit wheels. Not sure if they have the carbon hubs or not. Anybody have any experience with the Zeros?
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DanMartin, thanks for the Shamal 2 way wheel info. They were my first choice until I saw the Fulcrums.
It seems that Fulcrum Racing Zero's 2-way fit are very similar to the Shamal 2 way fit wheels. Not sure if they have the carbon hubs or not. Anybody have any experience with the Zeros?
It seems that Fulcrum Racing Zero's 2-way fit are very similar to the Shamal 2 way fit wheels. Not sure if they have the carbon hubs or not. Anybody have any experience with the Zeros?
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I have Duraace 7801's and (finally) put on a set of Hutchinson Fusion tubeless. Prior to the hutchinsons I put about 8,000 miles on Michelin Pro2 and Pro3 races. Some quick observations after about 500 miles:
1. The Fusions mount easier (much easier) than the Michelins. I think the tubeless wheel design has a higher lip in the rim, making it kinda hard to mount a tight tire like the Pro 3. The Fusions go right on, but...
2. Getting the initial seal on my front was hard for some reason, the back was easy
3. I didn't bother with the sealant, since you can just throw a tube in it if you get a flat.
4. The ride is great - I am running 95 front/100 rear and it just floats over rough road.
5. This isn't scientific but...I have a descent near my house that is pretty good for high speed runs. On the Pro3 I usually hit 49-51mph, and my fastest was 56.2. With the fusions I hit 60.6 and nearly every run down is in the mid-50s. They are supposed to have less rolling resistance, but i think at least part of the gain is because they roll so nicely over what is a fairly rough road that I have more confidence.
6. I think the biggest downside is that while the tubeless tires won't get a pinch flat, if they do flat you probably need to replace the tire. You could run a tube in it, but that kind of defeats the purpose..
1. The Fusions mount easier (much easier) than the Michelins. I think the tubeless wheel design has a higher lip in the rim, making it kinda hard to mount a tight tire like the Pro 3. The Fusions go right on, but...
2. Getting the initial seal on my front was hard for some reason, the back was easy
3. I didn't bother with the sealant, since you can just throw a tube in it if you get a flat.
4. The ride is great - I am running 95 front/100 rear and it just floats over rough road.
5. This isn't scientific but...I have a descent near my house that is pretty good for high speed runs. On the Pro3 I usually hit 49-51mph, and my fastest was 56.2. With the fusions I hit 60.6 and nearly every run down is in the mid-50s. They are supposed to have less rolling resistance, but i think at least part of the gain is because they roll so nicely over what is a fairly rough road that I have more confidence.
6. I think the biggest downside is that while the tubeless tires won't get a pinch flat, if they do flat you probably need to replace the tire. You could run a tube in it, but that kind of defeats the purpose..
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If they feel good for you at 95/100 that's all that matters.
Hutchinson does make a patch repair kit that works pretty well.
My friend has had good luck with it, fortunately I haven't had to deal with any flats yet. It's just like a tube patch kit.
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I have Duraace 7801's and (finally) put on a set of Hutchinson Fusion tubeless. Prior to the hutchinsons I put about 8,000 miles on Michelin Pro2 and Pro3 races. Some quick observations after about 500 miles:
1. The Fusions mount easier (much easier) than the Michelins. I think the tubeless wheel design has a higher lip in the rim, making it kinda hard to mount a tight tire like the Pro 3. The Fusions go right on, but...
2. Getting the initial seal on my front was hard for some reason, the back was easy
3. I didn't bother with the sealant, since you can just throw a tube in it if you get a flat.
4. The ride is great - I am running 95 front/100 rear and it just floats over rough road.
5. This isn't scientific but...I have a descent near my house that is pretty good for high speed runs. On the Pro3 I usually hit 49-51mph, and my fastest was 56.2. With the fusions I hit 60.6 and nearly every run down is in the mid-50s. They are supposed to have less rolling resistance, but i think at least part of the gain is because they roll so nicely over what is a fairly rough road that I have more confidence.
6. I think the biggest downside is that while the tubeless tires won't get a pinch flat, if they do flat you probably need to replace the tire. You could run a tube in it, but that kind of defeats the purpose..
1. The Fusions mount easier (much easier) than the Michelins. I think the tubeless wheel design has a higher lip in the rim, making it kinda hard to mount a tight tire like the Pro 3. The Fusions go right on, but...
2. Getting the initial seal on my front was hard for some reason, the back was easy
3. I didn't bother with the sealant, since you can just throw a tube in it if you get a flat.
4. The ride is great - I am running 95 front/100 rear and it just floats over rough road.
5. This isn't scientific but...I have a descent near my house that is pretty good for high speed runs. On the Pro3 I usually hit 49-51mph, and my fastest was 56.2. With the fusions I hit 60.6 and nearly every run down is in the mid-50s. They are supposed to have less rolling resistance, but i think at least part of the gain is because they roll so nicely over what is a fairly rough road that I have more confidence.
6. I think the biggest downside is that while the tubeless tires won't get a pinch flat, if they do flat you probably need to replace the tire. You could run a tube in it, but that kind of defeats the purpose..
However, I disagree with the idea that one doesn't need sealant. I once went on a ride were I got a small staple in my rear tire. I did not flat. And when I pulled the staple out, the sealant plugged the hole and I have been good ever since.
Other observations on these wheels. They are VERY stiff. I train on a Bontrager Racelite powertap rear wheel and a Torrelli Bormio front wheel, and, between my training wheels and the DA's, the difference in stiffness is like night and day. I climb faster with the DAs, sprint faster, descend and turn with greater stability. Now, the DA's aren't the lightest (around 1500 grams per pair), but the weight is so well placed on the wheel and it is so stiff that it still feels like a lighter wheel.
Now, for the best part, I weight about 150 and I run the tire pressure at around 85-90psi! This gives me a superbe ride-quality and excellent grip on corners, as good as, if not better than (because of the peace of mind of a clincher), the Conti Sprinter tubulars I've ridden in the past.
All in all, excellent wheels for almost any race venue, except a time trial, especially longer rides that may have rough roads.
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