Fast bike for training
IMO a light bike can be made to go faster than a heavier bike. So for example an Allez with stock wheels wont be as fast (or easy to ride?) as one with Fulcrum 0.
If the bike is used for training, is it better to have heavier wheels to make you work out more in the same amount of time than if you had lighter wheels... or is it better to have lighter wheels that makes the bike go faster and that in turn gives you a better workout ? |
adding the weight won't help your cycling. If it did, you would see pros training with the heaviest bikes they could or putting on weight vests. The reality is your body will adjust to the extra weight of the wheels pretty quickly. The only reason to have a "Training" wheel/tire set is to save your really light, expensive, carbon, etc wheels for those weekend club rides or the local crit. In full disclosure I only have one set of wheels and I use them for everything.
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Going faster doesn't make it a better workout. Using a heavier bike doesn't make it a better workout. Working harder makes it a better workout. If you are by yourself it really doesn't matter. If you are with a group, it may matter a little more. As long as your speed is controlled by the group, using a bike that makes you work harder will give you more of a workout. BUT if it is the type of group that you can dictate the pace by attacking, riding on the front, etc. then again it doesn't matter. On the flip side, if you are having a hard time even keeping up with the group, a lighter/faster/whatever bike may help you with that, so that you can get a better workout it.
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I think a better training device would be to train with a backpack on. I commute several days to work and carry my clothes in a backpack. When it comes to my weekend ride I feel a lot lighter and faster without the backpack. Unfortunately my commute is a solo ride and the weekend ride a group ride, so I have no results to compare the two rides and confirm.
I think it would make it good training so long as you push yourself. I mean if you can ride 20 mph without the bag, then tell yourself you need to ride 20 mph with the bag. Don't make it an excuse for riding slower. Keep pushing yourself. |
I agree about the backpack, I don't think the wheels would matter at all.
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Originally Posted by permanentjaun
(Post 7713777)
I think a better training device would be to train with a backpack on. I commute several days to work and carry my clothes in a backpack. When it comes to my weekend ride I feel a lot lighter and faster without the backpack. Unfortunately my commute is a solo ride and the weekend ride a group ride, so I have no results to compare the two rides and confirm.
I think it would make it good training so long as you push yourself. I mean if you can ride 20 mph without the bag, then tell yourself you need to ride 20 mph with the bag. Don't make it an excuse for riding slower. Keep pushing yourself.
Originally Posted by mazdaspeed
(Post 7713812)
I agree about the backpack, I don't think the wheels would matter at all.
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carry an extra water bottle.
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Originally Posted by umd
(Post 7713833)
OR, you could get a power meter and train by your effort rather than nebulous external factors such as speed. Of course if you ride with more weight you will go slower and then when you ride without the weight you will magically be faster, but did you actually improve, or did you just fool your mind?
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train heavy, race light.
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Originally Posted by umd
(Post 7713833)
OR, you could get a power meter and train by your effort rather than nebulous external factors such as speed. Of course if you ride with more weight you will go slower and then when you ride without the weight you will magically be faster, but did you actually improve, or did you just fool your mind?
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Originally Posted by permanentjaun
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I agree. I'm part of the group that can't afford a power meter though. This is why i stressed that the same speeds must be maintained with or without the bag. Theoretically you should have to work more to produce the same results with the bag. No excuses. HTFU and push the big ring.
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Originally Posted by permanentjaun
(Post 7713849)
I agree. I'm part of the group that can't afford a power meter though. This is why i stressed that the same speeds must be maintained with or without the bag. Theoretically you should have to work more to produce the same results with the bag. No excuses. HTFU and push the big ring.
Originally Posted by mazdaspeed
(Post 7713914)
Most people are ;)
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HA! I guess I'm part of the group that can't afford Fulcrum 0's either. I've never heard or considered them as a purchase.
STFU mustang and get a powertap. Drope souls eventually. |
Originally Posted by botto
(Post 7713851)
train heavy, race light.
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If you were to take 2 exact same bikes with all the same parts, only bike # frame is a few pounds heavier than #3, #1 bike will be faster on the flats and downhills.
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Originally Posted by divineAndbright
(Post 7714097)
If you were to take 2 exact same bikes with all the same parts, only bike # frame is a few pounds heavier than #3, #1 bike will be faster on the flats and downhills.
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So let me put it this way.
If I have two bikes, A and B, B is heavier. I rider 20 miles on bike A in 45 mins, and on bike B it takes 60 minutes for same distance. Have I exerted the same amount of effort on both bikes to obtain the same workout, the only thing being with bike A I took 15 minutes less (and thus I have 15 minutes more in the day, as well as more $$$ in my pocket coz I went for the heavier bike) ? Ps: I'm not considering Fulcrum 0 (I would stay away from that poc and get ksyrium <--- cue holy wheels war :)), I was merely giving examples of light/heavy. |
Originally Posted by mustang1
(Post 7714660)
So let me put it this way.
If I have two bikes, A and B, B is heavier. I rider 20 miles on bike A in 45 mins, and on bike B it takes 60 minutes for same distance. Have I exerted the same amount of effort on both bikes to obtain the same workout, the only thing being with bike A I took 15 minutes less (and thus I have 15 minutes more in the day, as well as more $$$ in my pocket coz I went for the heavier bike) ? Ps: I'm not considering Fulcrum 0 (I would stay away from that poc and get ksyrium <--- cue holy wheels war :)), I was merely giving examples of light/heavy. |
Listen to umd.
The important variables in training are time and intensity, not distance and speed. |
+1 for UMD's post
As some of the BF folks have mentioned it comes down to watts in the end. If you have two bikes (A and B) B being lets say 5lbs heavier. If you can push lets say 250watts for 1 hour regardless of bike. You then go ride bike A and ride for an hour then go ride bike B for an hour at the same effort (watts) the heavier bike would most likely net a slower time but in the end you would have done the same work. Your perceived effort may feel different but that is psychological. Again, like I said before, if the "train heavy, race light" mentality really worked for cycling then every pro cyclist would be out training with extra weight. |
Originally Posted by travkat
(Post 7715722)
+1 for UMD's post
As some of the BF folks have mentioned it comes down to watts in the end. If you have two bikes (A and B) B being lets say 5lbs heavier. If you can push lets say 250watts for 1 hour regardless of bike. You then go ride bike A and ride for an hour then go ride bike B for an hour at the same effort (watts) the heavier bike would most likely net a slower time but in the end you would have done the same work. Your perceived effort may feel different but that is psychological. Again, like I said before, if the "train heavy, race light" mentality really worked for cycling then every pro cyclist would be out training with extra weight. |
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