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When does Hardcore become Stupid?

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Old 11-21-08 | 03:50 PM
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A discussion came up at lunch today about my cold weather riding.

i did a small ride this morning. it was 19 degrees F. it was cold.. yes it was.

my co workers asked me how far i was planning on going into the winter.. and I said.. 20 below with a 50 below wind chill maybe.. ill see.. (I was being kinda smug)


The argument then came up. when does being hardcore and riding in the cold, become a stupid idea?

I personally want to get a picture of it being -20 and me heading out for a ride.. I mean that's brag rights?
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Old 11-21-08 | 03:53 PM
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can you take a big, hard, fast breath in without coughing?
I can't do that on a warm sunny day!!
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Old 11-21-08 | 03:56 PM
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Lady I can't fathom what's left of your airways from all the arctic cold long rides you do. You are a beast, meant in the most complimentary way, and I bow to you. In fact: SHE'S HARDCORE!!!
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Old 11-21-08 | 03:56 PM
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I guess, in a way, I'm the Canadian equivalent of the Californians and Floridans commenting here.

I choose to live in the "mildest" corner of the country so that I can feed my need for the velo year-round. After 40+ years of cycling, I am, as my physio says, "wired." Without continual pedaling, my whole organism goes haywire. So that's my comment on the "hardcore" question. I become unhealthy, both physically and mentally, when I don't ride regularly.

Now to the weather thing. I tried living in Alberta for a while. It was probably akin to a Californian trying do to Texas But seriously, I'm just not as tough as Machka!

Regina? I fled during a 50 below "cold snap". Got the first train out one New Year's morning. Two years in Toronto, sans bike, nearly killed me.

So, here on the left coast, in Canada's "cycling capital," I get to ride every month of the year. The worst weather, really, is the rain ... the eternal, pissin' rain. It's at its worst when the temperature hovers just above freezing. That's really hard to deal with; harder, I'd say than the cold, dry temps of the interior. One really has to dress for it. And keep moving.

As I've mentioned on BF before, I know first-hand about black ice. I spent last New Year's getting my chin sewn back together. But, hey, **** happens (especially in cars).

Maybe as an ex-alpinist I take some of the "survival" aspecs of cold-weather cycling for granted. They seem fairly pedestrian compared to being hundreds of miles from rescue on a storm-lashed glacier. Not to say that hypothermia isn't a possibility if you're not careful ... especially in aforementioned cold & wet. Yes, it's not for the faint of heart, or the unprepared, but it can be exciting and strangely joyful.

Boy was it nice to get out in the global-warmed sun yesterday, though. Very mild for November, but no bush fires yet (sorry, bad joke). Rain is back today.

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Old 11-21-08 | 03:58 PM
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I try to do 42 miles every day, occasionally cutting it back to 30 at a convenient shortcut.

Today, at 14 degrees F, I stopped at 20 miles, and would have stopped at 15 if I could have.

It got up to 17 by the time I got home, and I was miserable.

Sitting in the warm house, sure is nice today - and I think I have decided not to do my daily loop below 20-30.

The Airdyne is looking pretty good to me now!
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Old 11-21-08 | 04:09 PM
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That's a damned good question.

You know, I've been thinking about changing the name of the Winter Chicken Club to Winter Wisdom Club because of just such a dilemma . . . . are we really being "chicken" to choose not to ride in the cold, or are we simply too wise to suffer needlessly?

Quite the conundrum, no? You consider yourself "hardcore" whilst others consider you "fanatical" or "stupid".

I try to defend you folks as best I can, but their overwhelming numbers just beat me down. Finally all I can say in your defense is: "To each his own". It doesn't wash with the masses . . . they're convinced you're fanatics. Winter Wisdom Club does have a more positive ring to it, though.
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Old 11-21-08 | 04:12 PM
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A few of us gather for the "Sensible Sunday Ride." We still ride in all kinds of abysmal conditions -- we just do it slowly ... you know, to saviour the weather.
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Old 11-21-08 | 04:13 PM
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Variety is the spice of life. I like having to get up in the morning and be faced with howling winds and very cold temperatures, not to mention denser air which forces you to work more in order to maintain some kind of decent speed. I also enjoy the challenge of identifying black ice before I end up slipping on it, oh and the ever so pleasant gray slush after snow storms and ice sheets that they become afterwards. Beautiful, sunshiny and moderate climate huh? Got a spare room I can stay in for while?

Yeah but not when it comes to weather

I have lived in other states where they had winter NJ, NC, WA and I've even spent some time northeast of Edmonton. I don't miss the rain, snow, hail, frostbite or any other discomfort that comes with living there. If I want snow I go to the mountains play around and come back to my modest little hamlet by the beach.

People ask me if I miss the four seasons. My response "Ummm......NOOOO!" I like the security and surity to plan what I am doing on Saturday (insert any day) without worrying about the weather. I have a 6hr training ride with a client tomorrow. I haven't even checked the weather nor will I.

We'll ALWAYS make room for ANY BF members that want to come out! Seriously

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Old 11-21-08 | 04:15 PM
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You people must be using a different thermometer than I have.
Today was in the mid 60s, sunny, wind gusting to 20mph. Half way through the ride I pulled out the arm warmers (lots of trees, so lack of sun)... It was a nice ride.

All I have to dress in are Arm/Knee warmers, ss base layer, ss jersey, and bibs. If it's to cold for that combo of clothes, it's to cold (that equals somewhere in the low 50's I imagine, don't know, haven't found that temp yet)

I'm sure I would beat a good number of FL. cyclists. But it really doesn't make sense to invest in winter gear, considering it would only get used half a dozen times a year, if that.
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Old 11-21-08 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by randochap
i guess, in a way, i'm the canadian equivalent of the californians and floridans commenting here.

I choose to live in the "mildest" corner of the country so that i can feed my need for the velo year-round. After 40+ years of cycling, i am, as my physio says, "wired." without continual pedaling, my whole organism goes haywire. so that's my comment on the "hardcore" question. i become unhealthy, both physically and mentally, when i don't ride regularly.

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Old 11-21-08 | 04:20 PM
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i really don't have anything to contribute. I am so glad you guys live there and not here overcrowding our already overcrowded beautiful and sunshiny and usually moderate climate paradise we call socal (how do you like that run on sentence?) i think it was low 60's this morning.
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Old 11-21-08 | 04:21 PM
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Not sure. Chest xray results come back on Monday, but we know that it's not:

- Bacterial: I've already gone through a z-pack
- Airway constriction: been on prednisone with no success.
You can't rule out bacterial just because you took a course of antibiotics. For example whooping cough won't get better with drugs, you just stop being contagious.
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Old 11-21-08 | 04:22 PM
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Why do you think we're comparing apples with oranges?

Cycling is exercise.
Cross-country skiing is exercise.

When you cycle in the cold you have to dress a certain way.
When you cross-country ski in the cold ... you dress in a very similar way to the way you dress when you cycle in the cold.
It is much easier to stay warm while Nordic skiing, trust me.

The reduced wind chill and the full body nature of the workout makes me cook.
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Old 11-21-08 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Enthalpic
It is much easier to stay warm while Nordic skiing, trust me.

The reduced wind chill and the full body nature of the workout makes me cook.
Is it possible you're overdressed for skiing and underdressed for cycling?

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Old 11-21-08 | 05:24 PM
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Hardcore turns stupid only if you get hurt doing it. Use common sense and judgment when riding.
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Old 11-21-08 | 07:14 PM
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+1 It's just a matter of preparedness. I gotta find out what I need to wear if I bring my bike to DC this Winter.
You can wear about half as much as every other person you'll meet will be wearing. I don't understand these people and their arctic expeditionary parkas - it's 40 degrees and breezy, not -20 and raining sideways.
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Yeah, CA's perfect:
Some of those pictures are sad disturbing even.
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Old 11-21-08 | 08:30 PM
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Yeah, CA's perfect:
I like my chart better. What's with all that rain?

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You can wear about half as much as every other person you'll meet will be wearing. I don't understand these people and their arctic expeditionary parkas - it's 40 degrees and breezy, not -20 and raining sideways.
That's what I'm hoping for. I have enough to wear for my morning commute, which sometimes starts around 40 degrees. That chilly commute is probably the ONLY reason I won't be one of those bundled up tourist wimps this time.
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Lady I can't fathom what's left of your airways from all the arctic cold long rides you do. You are a beast, meant in the most complimentary way, and I bow to you. In fact: SHE'S HARDCORE!!!


Not only do I cycle in "arctic cold", but I ski, snowshoe, and do a lot of walking. I love being outside, and won't let a little thing like bitter cold stop me. It's a rare day that I don't spend time being active outside.

BTW ... speaking of snowshoeing, the last time I went snowshoeing was a few years ago in Winnipeg. There hasn't been enough snow for that lately. But one of the last times I went, I was very glad it was -42C out there. Even at that temperature, there was a section of the river behind where I lived that wasn't frozen ... a water drainage pipe drained into the river just there. I was snowshoeing along, and fell into the river ... left leg up to my hip. I got out, and the water instantly froze solid all over my snowshoe, boot, and ski pants, so I was able to keep going. Had it not been that cold, the water would have had time to soak in, making me wet, and I'd have had to go in or risk hypothermia.


And I'm sitting here with three different inhalers ... that should tell you what's left of my airways.
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Old 11-22-08 | 12:29 AM
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Did you ride to work today?



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No, but I rode a little bit this evening, and will be at the Turkey Roll in the morning.
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Yeah, CA's perfect:


Hey!

Major tectonic plate boundarys make for good cycling topography!
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That's what I'm hoping for. I have enough to wear for my morning commute, which sometimes starts around 40 degrees. That chilly commute is probably the ONLY reason I won't be one of those bundled up tourist wimps this time.
Oh no, these aren't the tourists that are bundled up. These are real DCers.

Just in case you want some actual info, it's been about 35 and very windy in the mornings here. I'm wearing regular bibs with wool kneewarmers, mtb shoes and regular cycling socks, a synth t-shirt, long-sleeved shirt, or both, and a prorace jacket. Just a cycling cap seems to do the job for my 25 minute commute.

In the afternoon when it's about 40, the above clothes are more than enough for a ride that lasts an hour or two.
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Hey!

Major tectonic plate boundarys make for good cycling topography!
Yep, that's what we love about this place -- convergence of 4 major tectonic plates here in the Cascadia Subduction Zone. Is it stupid to live here ... or just hardcore?



Bring low gears and big quads.
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