Bruyneel would be the least reliable or objective witness. And good question: is there something someone could do in 20 minutes to skew the test? I would think the hair would still have traces, but then again, he has short hair...still in all, he tested clean.

Just wanted to see the reaction of Pcad and followers..

Very predictable.

Me I could care less, Lance and the French are old news.

befuddling

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You do see the disconnect right? There is no "until they weren't" with Lance. I get your point though...keep scruitinizing until proof is found. You would think after the guy won 3 in a row some of the shroud of suspicion would be removed after being the most tested athelete of all time.
The thing I love about Lance and no he is far from perfect as we all are is...he puts himself in that arena knowing going in what he is going to get. The french will do everything in their power to thwart him from winning and have done so since he has won consecutively early on. Gotta love Lance's resolve to dominate. The guy will just not knuckle under given any circumstances....the ultimate warrior....genetically more gifted and works harder than anybody and likely smarter than most.

Not sure if this is the 1st of 24 tests to be conducted by a French organization, but it seems to me quite wierd that through all those tests there was never a problem with his cooperation until the French have to conduct the test.

If it wasn't obvious before, I think it is clear that the French just have it in for LA. Apparently they can't let go of the past and the fact he has "never" tested positive and now are fearful that LA may come back and win another TdF. I'ts obvious as PCad said that LA is great for the sport. More people watch when he is involved just as more people watch golf when Tiger is playing.....just to see what they can do.

first off, spouting hyperbolic company lines like 'the most tested athlete of all time' doesn't help, because it isn't true. A quick google will show it isn't. Second people don't understand the nature of testing or taking. Floyd got caught not because he used just that one time (I did not inhale), but because he screwed things up and what he was taking became detectable. Besides, from a pure logic stand point previous negative tests aren't a standard for future negative tests. There was a certain famous belgium rider who got caught during his swan song. He only used because he needed the extra edge because he was over the hill.

I thought these.

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I guess I am guilty of being hyperbolic to make my point. Do you think that Lance has been tested a lot in his rein of 7 tours in a row?...lol. Don't really want to take the time to debate each point as it has all been hashed on here many times. Perhaps you believe Lance to be a doper.
All I say to you is prove it.
That's all. I might suspect you to be drug dealer. I have no proof however.

Good point Cuda....He probably has more to lose than most riders

Is it really a glaring violation of testing protocol to ask the guy to wait 20-30 minutes while his credentials are verified? Maybe so. Sounds like much ado about nothing. Somebody show me the EXACT WORDING IN THE RULES that makes Lance's conduct a violation and maybe I'll come around.

It's a big Kabuki Dance of Mirrors. Reminds me of the relationship between Americans and the IRS, actually.

It really is...and been going on for many years and we don't know a quarter of the dance he has had to perform to not only survive but win. The great irony in all this...is the french have always been their own worse enemy. What they do only tightens Lance's resolve to train harder and win. I am more astounded that Lance hasn't been hurt by a french fan during a race in an effort to upset his dominance than caught cheating for using drugs.

I have 'followers'?

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Personally, I think Floyd's "positive" was a false positive. The use of the drug for one day makes zero sense, the testosterone test is flawed, and that lab was completely f**ked up.

why are you attacking an entire nation for the behavior of one organization?

I thought it was wrong, but google liked it.
Thanks.

You know, not for nothing, but they test him to see if he is or isn't. What I believe is irrelevant. You were the one arguing that based on the fact that he hadn't been caught he was clearly not a violator, and ostensibly he should be excused from testing.

Actually the one who ****ed up was Floyd. He was clearly using it all along and simply screwed up his masking.

Sorry, you are completely correct. I will modify my post.

Brother...man. Wow. Talk about a leap of judgement. Excused from testing?
Mind if I don't respond?
Have fun.

Proof or hyperbole?
Yikes.

Second paragraph.

Do they work? Or is it merely a threat?

They could work...

No offense I honestly don't care what you do. I actually know what I'm talking about. There's about a million things on the banned list for no other reason than they mask the use of PEDs. Floyd's camp tried to put out that he wouldn't have used testosterone because it wouldn't be of benefit to an endurance athlete (false) and then that it wouldn't be of use just one time (also false but also misleading in that getting caught once doesn't prove that he wasn't on it all along). It's actually far more likely and logical that he messed up the dose, his body responded differently due to the stress of bonking the day before, or that something went awry with his masking agent. These aren't wild speculations but more logical and fact based explanations of how someone who failed a test did so. Of course, it could have been the jack daniels :rolleyes:

More like "stalkers"...

;)

Floyd - I suspect his test was a true positive. If it was a one-time thing or a long term program we may never know. The way things were handled on both sides were so poorly done that it cast very long shadows in both directions and short of time travel or mind reading, doubt the complete truth will ever be fully known.

Armstrong - he should be tested in line with any other athlete he is in competition with. I don't know how they choose which riders to test in these unannounced tests. If it is random, then someone has stacked the odds against Armstrong. French anti-doping / cycling authorities - and likely members of the Government - (but perhaps not the French as a whole, as Botto pointed out) have a history of poorly run labs and mistakes, in addition to appearing to have an agenda against Armstrong. Those two combined would certainly make any athlete wary of people showing up unannounced to take your blood, etc - and make you quick to respond when they accuse you of "bad behavior" even after you complied with their requests once their authority had been confirmed.