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cuda2k 04-09-09 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by Kelrod (Post 8697477)
I wonder if Lance did break the testing rules? I know he came up negative, but what are the rules when someone comes to you for a random test? If you are required to standby the tester without leaving his site. I am sure Lance knew this. These guys know the rules, it's fine that they were getting the credentials of the tester but why create the suspicion by leaving for 20 mins?

Article states that Lance asked if it was okay for him to shower while the credentials were being verified, and that the tester agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if each testing authority has their own rules on what is and isn't allowed between the time you are told "I'm here to test you" and you pee in the cup. Then theres the matter that Lance and crew questioned if this guy was authorized to do a test at all in the first place. Would Lance have hung around while the calls were being made if the tester said "No, you must stay here while this is getting sorted out."? Good question, I would imagine so considering he knows that any small violation would land him right where he is now anyways. :rolleyes:

Nachoman 04-09-09 09:32 AM

I'd also like to read the actual rule. does anyone have a link?

DScott 04-09-09 09:37 AM

How could a twenty minute delay affect the contents of his blood, urine, or hair? Collecting all that is directly monitered. It's not like he went into another room and came back with the samples.

"Let's see, now where did I put those vials of blood and that cup of pee? Dude! Quick! Give me some of your hair!"


I wonder what Lance's vital fluids would be worth on ebay?

kwrides 04-09-09 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by campag4life (Post 8696895)
you do see the disconnect right? There is no "until they weren't" with lance. I get your point though...keep scruitinizing until proof is found. You would think after the guy won 3 in a row some of the shroud of suspicion would be removed after being the most tested athelete of all time.
the thing i love about lance and no he is far from perfect as we all are is...he puts himself in that arena knowing going in what he is going to get and then spends the entire time whining about it. the french will do everything in their power to thwart him from winning and have done so since he has won consecutively early on. Gotta love lance's resolve to dominate. The guy will just not knuckle under given any circumstances....the ultimate warrior....genetically more gifted and works harder than anybody and likely smarter than most.

fify

Shimagnolo 04-09-09 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by DScott (Post 8697843)
I wonder what Lance's vital fluids would be worth on ebay?

Hey! Sheryl Crow might be sitting on a fortune!:lol:

kwrides 04-09-09 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh (Post 8697183)
It's really not too difficult to imagine how this went down. Armstrong, used to being tested by WADA /UCI is put off by the French guy showing up. Responds along the lines of F'U. Takes a bit of time to sort out, before its clear he has to submit to the test.

French guys respond back with "no F'U" by raising this little pissing contest (no pun intended).

Armstrong's known for being less than tactful on occassion, and I'm betting he pissed them off.

My thinking as well.

Naterider 04-09-09 09:50 AM

Lance needs to go back to flossin hoes, and triathlons. He doped. But you only cheated if you get caught. He just needs to back off from waving the clean flag. The only reason "cancer" is the reason he is riding is because he can't win the tdf anymore, and he is like the reast of us cyclists in need of an excuse.

rousseau 04-09-09 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by botto (Post 8696985)
why are you attacking an entire nation for the behavior of one organization?

Because Americans are morons?

mattm 04-09-09 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by gsteinb (Post 8696793)
Isn't there a Lance forum or a TdF forum where this stuff could be posted? Maybe it can go in the Lance twitter forum in the subcategory 'drug testing.' It's incomprehensible anyone can follow this sport anymore. Everyone involved seems to be a total flaming Ahole. From the directors, to the athletes to the promoters. It's perhaps the most sub par group of human beings in existence.

ftw.

Flatballer 04-09-09 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by DScott (Post 8697843)
How could a twenty minute delay affect the contents of his blood, urine, or hair? Collecting all that is directly monitered. It's not like he went into another room and came back with the samples.

"Let's see, now where did I put those vials of blood and that cup of pee? Dude! Quick! Give me some of your hair!"


I wonder what Lance's vital fluids would be worth on ebay?

I figured it out.

He went to the bathroom for twenty minutes, but he wasn't alone. He actually had all of his blood changed out with one of his associates who is clean. This associate will probably die soon from high hematocrit levels or something, but we won't hear about it.

He then had a hair transplant done with this same associate. Finally, he, umm, yeah, I can't even make something up that could make a urine sample clean in 20 minutes. Maybe he peed, so that when the tester asked for the sample, he didn't have any to give, then the guy got bored and left?

PSR215 04-09-09 10:11 AM

I think whether Pcad has followers is more interesting than whether lance was unfairly picked on to pee in a cup. He knows as most of the world does that he is under great suspicion for being a doper, especially in France.. None twisted his arm to make a come back.. What was he expecting, beautiful women showing up volunteering to hold it for him while he gave a sample ?

Oh what a tough life he has, lives in a beautiful section of the world has great looking girlfriends, has loads of cash, and now that hes in a comeback has to take drug tests more than most.

spry 04-09-09 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by cuda2k (Post 8697292)
:notamused:

Lance is a Texan, of course he doesn't take any BS.

Whoooo doogie,
Let me get my hip boots on.
The gun smoke and horse **** is getting thick in here pardner.:D

RichinPeoria 04-09-09 10:31 AM

I happen to like France. Maybe you narrow minded french-haters should stfu until you have been there for awhile (and I dont mean on a tour bus). When we were there we had a good time, met nice people, ate great food, saw places that had huge historical significance, had great places to walk, ate great food...repeat.

spry 04-09-09 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by rousseau (Post 8697964)
Because Americans are morons?

You were such a good neighbor the last few months now it,s back to the anti Yank rhetoric.
Brace yourself fancy pants,another load of merde catapulted across Lake Erie for you.:thumb:

RichinPeoria 04-09-09 10:35 AM

Oh and btw maybe Lance did use perf. enhancing drugs and was smart enough not to get caught, maybe not; just say'n

Im sure the French have their side of the story too.

BlazingPedals 04-09-09 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by JMT114 (Post 8696845)
My prediction is 4 pages by 5:00 PM CDT.


I'll help.

spry 04-09-09 10:42 AM

Call in Chief Inspector Clouseau to review the tests.

cat0020 04-09-09 10:44 AM

How much trouble to pee in a cup when asked? they could have verified the credentials of the official in time, just don't let the guy run off with the samples without varification.

shuffles 04-09-09 10:44 AM

[QUOTE=gsteinb;8696793]... It's perhaps the most sub par group of human beings in existence.[/QUOTE

Except for BF Road Cycling members

Havs 04-09-09 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by Barese Rider (Post 8696769)
.. Anybody with 2 cents worth of common sense could sniff out that the guy probably used some kind of dope...

Um, where's your proof?

Tulex 04-09-09 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by cat0020 (Post 8698317)
How much trouble to pee in a cup when asked? they could have verified the credentials of the official in time, just don't let the guy run off with the samples without varification.


So, a person should be able to go up to Lance, make him pee infront of them, then get verified. Half the guys on this forum would be in that line just to check out his junk.

JasonJ 04-09-09 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by cuda2k (Post 8697777)
Article states that Lance asked if it was okay for him to shower while the credentials were being verified, and that the tester agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if each testing authority has their own rules on what is and isn't allowed between the time you are told "I'm here to test you" and you pee in the cup. Then theres the matter that Lance and crew questioned if this guy was authorized to do a test at all in the first place. Would Lance have hung around while the calls were being made if the tester said "No, you must stay here while this is getting sorted out."? Good question, I would imagine so considering he knows that any small violation would land him right where he is now anyways. :rolleyes:

Bingo! Lance should've known by now that when a tester shows up -- especially a French tester -- that he must do exactly what that person tells him to do. Any deviation from instructions could be construed and/or distorted in exactly the way it's being done right now.

He f'ed up and now he's going to pay for it -- the French are going to throw everything they can at him to keep him out of the TdF (which probably was their plan all along). The only person he has to blame is himself -- and maybe Johan for not making him stay put while they sorted out the tester's creds.

Jason

Dubbayoo 04-09-09 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by cat0020 (Post 8698317)
How much trouble to pee in a cup when asked? they could have verified the credentials of the official in time, just don't let the guy run off with the samples without varification.

Define "in time", because 20 minutes seems to fall under a reasonable definition of in time.

Humongous 04-09-09 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by rousseau (Post 8697964)
Because Americans are morons?

Its a good thing I have enough Canadian friends to know most are not like you.

DiabloScott 04-09-09 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by Kelrod (Post 8697477)
If you are required to standby the tester without leaving his site. I am sure Lance knew this. These guys know the rules, it's fine that they were getting the credentials of the tester but why create the suspicion by leaving for 20 mins?

The rule is that you can't refuse the test (Google Kevin van Impe if you don't already know his story) and the tester must stay with you until he/she gets the sample. Landis talks about this in his book also, saying he would sometimes take the tester out for coffee or something until he hydrated enough to whizz.


Since Armstrong and the tester were in the same building and there was no risk of Armstrong's running away the tester can say he was with him and the rule was followed.


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