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trigger 04-10-09 12:29 PM

Elevation ... is this a lot?
 
Pardon if this is a dumb question - bit of a noob. This is only my second season with a road bike, and my first season of serious organized rides.

Is 1050 feet of climbing in 18 miles a lot? I know it's all relative, but is that considered easy, medium, hard? Just trying to get a sense of how much pain I might be in for. :lol:

bdcheung 04-10-09 12:33 PM

if it all comes at once, it's pretty decent.

kinda tough to give a determination based on such little information.

generally though 1k feet over 18 miles isn't a lot.

terrymorse 04-10-09 12:34 PM

It's an average grade of about 1%. If it's constant over 18 miles, you'll hardly notice it.

DiabloScott 04-10-09 12:35 PM

If it's one long climb, it's a pretty easy one. Although 18 miles of 1% grade would get pretty boring. 18 miles with lots of 100 foot climbs might be kind of fun - still well below medium difficulty though.

wfrogge 04-10-09 12:36 PM

nope

MONGO! 04-10-09 12:41 PM

1,000 ft in 18 miles is easy, if I go west from here it's 1100 ft in 5 miles and that's considered a moderate climb.

mattm 04-10-09 12:45 PM

i start to think of rides as "hilly" when you have at least 300m gain over 16km or so (aka >1000ft of gain per 10mi)

even then, if that was a straight climb it wouldn't be worth much. for something like a pass, you can be gaining something like 2000ft per 10miles. (3.8% grade)

curiouskid55 04-10-09 12:51 PM

Wouldn't even qualify as a false flat.

timmyquest 04-10-09 12:56 PM

Depends on where you live.

urbanknight 04-10-09 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by terrymorse (Post 8705615)
It's an average grade of about 1%. If it's constant over 18 miles, you'll hardly notice it.

Yep, that's pretty much my commute to work. 15 miles with 900' most of the time at 1%, then a 5 mile descent to lose the 900' and then some. Coming back home is a good workout.

But yeah, it's a lot for some and not a lot for others.

z415 04-10-09 01:16 PM

I don't get that much absolute elevation here, but that is not very steep at all if at constant grade: 1050 ft for (5280 x 18ft) 95,040 ft.

snoboard2 04-10-09 01:21 PM

my rule of thumb for ft of climb/mi.

0-30 = flat
31-50 = rolling
50-75 = hilly
76-100 = mountainous
100+ = epic

your route comes in at ~60 ft climb/mi, so i'd call it "hilly"

umd 04-10-09 01:22 PM

As others have said, it depends on how it comes at you. I'd say it's "rolling" at best. It also depends on how you arrived at that number. If it was from a mapping site you likely need to cut it in half.

johnny99 04-10-09 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by snoboard2 (Post 8705947)
my rule of thumb for ft of climb/mi.

0-30 = flat
31-50 = rolling
50-75 = hilly
76-100 = mountainous
100+ = epic

your route comes in at ~60 ft climb/mi, so i'd call it "hilly"

That's probably about right for east coast rides. On the west coast, the scale is more like:

0-50 = flat
50-75 = rolling
76-100 = hilly
100+ = mountainous

These are feet of climbing per mile of riding, averaged over an entire loop ride (not just the uphills).

Psimet2001 04-10-09 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by johnny99 (Post 8706098)
That's probably about right for east coast rides. On the west coast, the scale is more like:

0-50 = flat
50-75 = rolling
76-100 = hilly
100+ = mountainous

feet of climbing per mile of riding, averaged over an entire loop ride

So....you finally proved that there are no epic rides in california......nice.

liner 04-10-09 01:48 PM

I live in central ma and most of the loops I do have 1000 feet of climbing every 10 miles.

umd 04-10-09 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by johnny99 (Post 8706098)
That's probably about right for east coast rides. On the west coast, the scale is more like:

0-50 = flat
50-75 = rolling
76-100 = hilly
100+ = mountainous

That's the scale I've usually seen people go by. Although sometimes for longer rides it's hard to go by the whole averages. I mean I leave my house and do ~10 rolling miles to meet a group, then we ride along the coast for a while, go over some mountain passes, ride back along the coast and then I take a flattish route home... so the whole thing may be 5,000 feet in 80 miles but I'd say it's more than rolling because it's all at once... On the other hand I did 4,000 feet in 37 miles in the foothills yesterday but never had a single climb that was more than 500 feet and the whole thing topped out at 1,000 so I'd hardly call it mountainous. IMO they are both "hilly" rides.

umd 04-10-09 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by Psimet2001 (Post 8706109)
So....you finally proved that there are no epic rides in california......nice.

Epic is 200 ft/mile ;)

mattm 04-10-09 01:58 PM

so, who has tougher hills; east coast or west?

discuss.

Grumpy McTrumpy 04-10-09 02:00 PM

west = longer

east = short and steep

Shimagnolo 04-10-09 02:01 PM

At the top of Flagstaff Road, (just West of Boulder), there is 1000' of elevation gain in 1.5 miles.
That is what I call "a lot".

Grumpy McTrumpy 04-10-09 02:04 PM

I might as well take the troll bait.

Mt Washington is probably the sickest climb in the USA and it is in New Hampshire.

mattm 04-10-09 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by Shimagnolo (Post 8706202)
At the top of Flagstaff Road, (just West of Boulder), there is 1000' of elevation gain in 1.5 miles.
That is what I call "a lot".

nice, sounds like fun.

out in the seattle area, Cougar Mtn is the best we've got in terms of sheer gain: ~1,500 ft over 2.5 miles. 7% grade overall, but there are some nice 20%+ grades in there too.

and cayuse pass out near mt. rainier is fun too, ~8% for 8 miles or so.. good times.

then there's something like blewett pass, 20 miles at 4-5%.. not too steep but for long of a distance, it wears on you.

trigger 04-10-09 02:13 PM

Ok - cool. Fear level greatly reduced. I know that it's not all one steady climb ... a longish not steep initial ascent followed by a steeper shorter climb. From what you all have commented, even that shouldn't be too taxing. I'm actually not a bad climber, I just have no idea how to think / talk about climbing in math terms, so didn't know what to do with the data I was given.

As always, thanks tons for the help!

RedHerring 04-10-09 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by trigger (Post 8705574)
Is 1050 feet of climbing in 18 miles a lot?

Nope

keisatsu 04-10-09 02:18 PM

No, thats not that much climbing...

This is a lot of climbing>
YouTube - Incredibly Steep

Jay68442 04-10-09 02:36 PM

I do a 15 mile ride on my lunch break that has 900 feet of climbing. According to this formula it would be rolling but there is a spot on the ride that’s a 10% grade. Not sure if that changes anything but I consider the ride to be pretty easy.

climb/mile
0-50 = flat
50-75 = rolling
76-100 = hilly
100+ = mountainous

Issaquatch 04-10-09 03:21 PM

I guess it is all relative. I can't get home without climbing at least 400 feet. There are several roads up the hill to my home, but they all cover that elevation in about a mile. 400 feet in a mile is a good sized hill, but it is no mountain.

You need miles of climbing (and at least 100-200 feet of elevation gain per mile) before you can call something a mountain; anything else is either a steep hill or a not so steep hill.

challaday 04-10-09 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by mattm (Post 8706300)

then there's something like blewett pass, 20 miles at 4-5%.. not too steep but for long of a distance, it wears on you.

Blewett is really different depending on whether you're approaching from the north or from the south. From the north is much steeper and shorter. When I lived near there, I would go up from the Leavenworth/Cashmere side, crest and go back. The downhill on the north side is great. In what might not be my brightest decision ever, I passed a car going down. :thumb:

There's some other nice climbs around the Puget Sound area too: Crystal Mountain Blvd, NF Road 25 south of Randle, Longmire-Paradise, Skate Creek Road. The list goes on and on.

neospazzy 04-10-09 10:25 PM

http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/7009532

This would be considered "epic" then?


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