Second Positive for Tyler Hamilton leads to Retirement
04-17-09, 02:11 PM
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Indeed, he made the wrong choice deciding not to go back to the doc to get a script for something different that didn't have a banned substance in it. DrPete, you've got a good list there, and I'm in no position to say if any of those can or can not be taken by pro athletes worrying about drug controls. (I like pcad's list better though 
) I'm sure you know better than I what's in those. But desperate depressed people aren't known for making rational choices. Guess it was a better choice than to slit his wrists or take a header off the side of a mountain while on a training ride.
) I'm sure you know better than I what's in those. But desperate depressed people aren't known for making rational choices. Guess it was a better choice than to slit his wrists or take a header off the side of a mountain while on a training ride.
04-17-09, 02:18 PM
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Indeed, he made the wrong choice deciding not to go back to the doc to get a script for something different that didn't have a banned substance in it. DrPete, you've got a good list there, and I'm in no position to say if any of those can or can not be taken by pro athletes worrying about drug controls. (I like pcad's list better though ) I'm sure you know better than I what's in those. But desperate depressed people aren't known for making rational choices. Guess it was a better choice than to slit his wrists or take a header off the side of a mountain while on a training ride.
) I'm sure you know better than I what's in those. But desperate depressed people aren't known for making rational choices. Guess it was a better choice than to slit his wrists or take a header off the side of a mountain while on a training ride.
04-17-09, 02:59 PM
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That is one seriously unattractive man. His wife's not half bad though
And yes, it sounds to me like his heart just wasn't in it anymore. He knew it was banned, took it anyway, and said he would accept whatever punishment was coming his way. Not the most graceful way to exit the sport, but as others have said, mental illness can cloud your better judgment.
And yes, it sounds to me like his heart just wasn't in it anymore. He knew it was banned, took it anyway, and said he would accept whatever punishment was coming his way. Not the most graceful way to exit the sport, but as others have said, mental illness can cloud your better judgment.
04-17-09, 03:43 PM
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Tyler doped for the same reason that Pcad posts gratituously...for the attention. On a serious note...as mentioned, he sounds mentally fragile. I can't imagine the shame of being driven out of a sport at the elite level you work so hard at and love because you cheated.
All the best to Tyler.
Lastly...it seems this sport as with other professional sports is caught in an intermidable loop to take performance enhancing substances because the rewards of winning are worth the risk to those in particular with less than the best possible genetics where winning and associated riches is everything.
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04-17-09, 04:26 PM
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That is one seriously unattractive man. His wife's not half bad though
And yes, it sounds to me like his heart just wasn't in it anymore. He knew it was banned, took it anyway, and said he would accept whatever punishment was coming his way. Not the most graceful way to exit the sport, but as others have said, mental illness can cloud your better judgment.
And yes, it sounds to me like his heart just wasn't in it anymore. He knew it was banned, took it anyway, and said he would accept whatever punishment was coming his way. Not the most graceful way to exit the sport, but as others have said, mental illness can cloud your better judgment.
04-17-09, 04:40 PM
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My favorites are the copies of the faxes sent from the dope doc to his Wife, requesting payments.. faxed to the hotel under he Maiden name...
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04-17-09, 05:02 PM
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Maybe it's my idealistic legal education.
I see mitigating circumstances in this particular incident, and feel it is unfair - in judging Tyler for this specific action - to hold his past transgressions as evidence of anything. Especially since it seems the consumption of the DHEA was incidental to his anti-depression meds.
I see mitigating circumstances in this particular incident, and feel it is unfair - in judging Tyler for this specific action - to hold his past transgressions as evidence of anything. Especially since it seems the consumption of the DHEA was incidental to his anti-depression meds.
04-17-09, 05:10 PM
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I bet his twin is pissed.
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04-17-09, 05:28 PM
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He's retired and will get at least an 8 year suspension. In other words, it's over; the horse is dead. The depression issue seems to be real and I wish him the best of luck dealing with that. I, for one, won't pile on further.
(There's plenty of you guys here to do that. I almost thought he got around someone who posts here for Stars/Stripes Jersey the way some of you are so worked up)
(There's plenty of you guys here to do that. I almost thought he got around someone who posts here for Stars/Stripes Jersey the way some of you are so worked up)
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04-17-09, 05:30 PM
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I've always thought of Tyler as an exciting racer and all around nice guy. I (and I may be the only one) never believed that he doped. Why would you spend all of your money defending yourself when the outcome would be the same whether you did or didn't. I wish him well in both his battle with depression and life in general.
04-17-09, 05:31 PM
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Did you cover strict liability in your studies?
Unless you're referring to him winning the USPRO while, possibly, using DHEA.
Garmin screwed that up so bad I don't really care what he was doing; a Garmin rider should have won that and it's no one's fault but their own that one didn't.
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04-17-09, 06:11 PM
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...8 hours later I'm done being mad at him for being an idiot. He's younger than me but there probably never was a day that he couldn't kick my ass on the bike, on or off the juice. Now I just hope he straightens out his depression thing and gets on with things. And, of course, doesn't try any silly racing come-backs.
Maybe he can write an inspiring book or something...
Maybe he can write an inspiring book or something...
04-17-09, 08:25 PM
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What is peculiar is the seemingly dual aspects of his personality: the grit and determination to race at a world class level (yes, I believe he would have been world class without performance enhancers), through injuries and grueling circumstances, and the apparently fragile psyche that would cheat and lie. I do sympathize about his depression, its just sad that in the end, his flaws are what he will be known for.
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I know people who have depression and I think that Hamilton was justified in his taking anti-depressants. He could have been on the verge of doing some very bad things to himself, and "doping" may have saved him. I don't know.
While the whole doping thing is stupid, I'm happy that he's retiring and giving himself the attention he deserves. He's been having a rough time since February when his mother died, and added to his sickness the "ban" is for the better.
Do I want to see him race again? Yes. Do I want him to worry about himself more than racing? Absolutely.
You can obviously see that he was concerned about his health when he knowingly broke doping rules to get the medicine he thought he needed; now he just doesn't have to worry about the WADA and USADA.
In other news, I think that Pat McQuaid is one of the biggest ******bagues around, and todays comments from him slate that.
While the whole doping thing is stupid, I'm happy that he's retiring and giving himself the attention he deserves. He's been having a rough time since February when his mother died, and added to his sickness the "ban" is for the better.
Do I want to see him race again? Yes. Do I want him to worry about himself more than racing? Absolutely.
You can obviously see that he was concerned about his health when he knowingly broke doping rules to get the medicine he thought he needed; now he just doesn't have to worry about the WADA and USADA.
In other news, I think that Pat McQuaid is one of the biggest ******bagues around, and todays comments from him slate that.
04-17-09, 08:45 PM
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What is peculiar is the seemingly dual aspects of his personality: the grit and determination to race at a world class level (yes, I believe he would have been world class without performance enhancers), through injuries and grueling circumstances, and the apparently fragile psyche that would cheat and lie. I do sympathize about his depression, its just sad that in the end, his flaws are what he will be known for.
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04-18-09, 06:20 AM
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I've always thought of Tyler as an exciting racer and all around nice guy. I (and I may be the only one) never believed that he doped. Why would you spend all of your money defending yourself when the outcome would be the same whether you did or didn't. I wish him well in both his battle with depression and life in general.
04-18-09, 10:14 AM
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There are more anti-depressants these days than you can shake a stick at. Off the top of my head--and I'm a surgeon--I can think of:
Prozac
Zoloft
Paxil
Effexor
Remeron
Wellbutrin
Zyprexa
St John's Wort (1st-line rx in europe)
To say that he was out of established prescription options doesn't make sense.
I get that he's been through a lot and I do feel sorry for him about that, but he really did bring it on himself this time.
Prozac
Zoloft
Paxil
Effexor
Remeron
Wellbutrin
Zyprexa
St John's Wort (1st-line rx in europe)
To say that he was out of established prescription options doesn't make sense.
I get that he's been through a lot and I do feel sorry for him about that, but he really did bring it on himself this time.
Any other argument by Hamilton is more comical BS along the lines of vanishing twins.
04-18-09, 08:46 PM
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Its tough to decide how ridiculous his arguments are. Clearly he has some personal issues he needs to deal with, but I don't buy that being the cause of this.
Why dump prescriptions you've been using seemingly successfully for years to use a homeopathic remedy that you know includes a banned substance?
Glad he's not our national road champion or anything....oh wait....
Why dump prescriptions you've been using seemingly successfully for years to use a homeopathic remedy that you know includes a banned substance?
Glad he's not our national road champion or anything....oh wait....
04-19-09, 04:51 PM
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I hate to point this out . . . but this is one INANE argument.
1. There are no isolated incidents. (Especially when you then immediately argue that the incident should not be seen in isolation from his "condition." Huh? Should we only isolate this incident from the things you want it isolated from? Dumb Dumb Dumb)
2. Should we only punish cheerful dopers? Only the well-adjusted? Where do you draw the line? (I think Landis was pretty depressed after getting blasted the stage before his got-caught stage.)
As I said, this is inane. And the baffling thing? Pcad had very little to do with the train leaving the tracks!
1. There are no isolated incidents. (Especially when you then immediately argue that the incident should not be seen in isolation from his "condition." Huh? Should we only isolate this incident from the things you want it isolated from? Dumb Dumb Dumb)
2. Should we only punish cheerful dopers? Only the well-adjusted? Where do you draw the line? (I think Landis was pretty depressed after getting blasted the stage before his got-caught stage.)
As I said, this is inane. And the baffling thing? Pcad had very little to do with the train leaving the tracks!