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If somebody actually thinks that a mirror compensates for skills as mentioned earlier, they are simply an idiot but again, we would be talking about the user, not the device. Don't condemn or consider how useful a mirror is based on some moron's inability to know how to use it properly and effectively.
Personally, it's my belief that a person's comfort level with or without a mirror on a bike is directly related to their driving skills. Just my humble opinion. Go ahead, flame me.
I do understand roadies that wear full kit and actually get some speed up out there not wearing mirrors for any reason though. I can excuse that for sure.
side note: with my help we got this sucker to 10 pages! Sorry.
Personally, it's my belief that a person's comfort level with or without a mirror on a bike is directly related to their driving skills. Just my humble opinion. Go ahead, flame me.
I do understand roadies that wear full kit and actually get some speed up out there not wearing mirrors for any reason though. I can excuse that for sure.
side note: with my help we got this sucker to 10 pages! Sorry.
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If somebody actually thinks that a mirror compensates for skills as mentioned earlier, they are simply an idiot but again, we would be talking about the user, not the device. Don't condemn or consider how useful a mirror is based on some moron's inability to know how to use it properly and effectively.
Am I an idiot for compensating by using a mirror? Guess I better sell the bike and take up yoga.
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I'm not sure if this statement applies to me - help me understand. I'm the guy who physically cannot turn around far enough to see deriectly behind me. It's not a skill issue, it's a physical limitation of my old and stiff body.
Am I an idiot for compensating by using a mirror? Guess I better sell the bike and take up yoga.
Am I an idiot for compensating by using a mirror? Guess I better sell the bike and take up yoga.
Besides, if you've been paying attention, I am clearly an advocate for mirrors.
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If somebody actually thinks that a mirror compensates for skills as mentioned earlier, they are simply an idiot but again, we would be talking about the user, not the device. Don't condemn or consider how useful a mirror is based on some moron's inability to know how to use it properly and effectively.
Personally, it's my belief that a person's comfort level with or without a mirror on a bike is directly related to their driving skills. Just my humble opinion. Go ahead, flame me.
I do understand roadies that wear full kit and actually get some speed up out there not wearing mirrors for any reason though. I can excuse that for sure.
side note: with my help we got this sucker to 10 pages! Sorry.
Personally, it's my belief that a person's comfort level with or without a mirror on a bike is directly related to their driving skills. Just my humble opinion. Go ahead, flame me.
I do understand roadies that wear full kit and actually get some speed up out there not wearing mirrors for any reason though. I can excuse that for sure.
side note: with my help we got this sucker to 10 pages! Sorry.
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Funny thread.
I use the Mirrycle road mirror. Its purpose is to let me monitor the road behind me periodically. On the many desolate roads I ride, I can see the traffic before I hear it and make adjustments. With no traffic around, why not take the middle of your lane? With wind noise, cars can get close enough to me to have to slow before I hear them and move over, and I don't want to be looking over my shoulder constantly when I usually have the road to myself.
But mostly it is of benefit when I am zooming down a road with cars intermittently parked on the right. I can see the gaps is passing traffic and time my arrival at the parked cars to coincide with a traffic gap, facilitating a smooth and easy lane taking after a glance over the shoulder. When I don't have the luxury of timing my zip past the parked cars with a gap in passing traffic, there is often one jerk in passing traffic that will cut it too close. The mirror doesn't cure the jerk problem, but all those times I can time my lane taking for my convenience and the convenience of the auto traffic makes life easier. And using a mirror is easier than contantly turning around.
So just admit it, you are just afraid of looking dorky with a mirror and getting ridiculed, so you come up with rationalizations about what a mirror does not do to justify not using one.
I use the Mirrycle road mirror. Its purpose is to let me monitor the road behind me periodically. On the many desolate roads I ride, I can see the traffic before I hear it and make adjustments. With no traffic around, why not take the middle of your lane? With wind noise, cars can get close enough to me to have to slow before I hear them and move over, and I don't want to be looking over my shoulder constantly when I usually have the road to myself.
But mostly it is of benefit when I am zooming down a road with cars intermittently parked on the right. I can see the gaps is passing traffic and time my arrival at the parked cars to coincide with a traffic gap, facilitating a smooth and easy lane taking after a glance over the shoulder. When I don't have the luxury of timing my zip past the parked cars with a gap in passing traffic, there is often one jerk in passing traffic that will cut it too close. The mirror doesn't cure the jerk problem, but all those times I can time my lane taking for my convenience and the convenience of the auto traffic makes life easier. And using a mirror is easier than contantly turning around.
So just admit it, you are just afraid of looking dorky with a mirror and getting ridiculed, so you come up with rationalizations about what a mirror does not do to justify not using one.
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i don't blame you for not looking back through this long thread, but it started because i tried to use a mirror having never used one before. so concerns about looks played no part.
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Even more important than that however will be his attitude and maturity level.
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OK, then please re-try the whole handlebar mirror thing. Adjust it so that it points in the most likely place you want to see while you are riding. This time when you look at the mirror, realize it only lets you see where it is pointed. If you need to see somewhere else, turn your HEAD and look there, do not turn the handlebar. The mirror is only a convenience tool for easy viewing to that area you pre-selected, it accomplishes nothing more, and is not a substitute for looking with your eyes when changing your lane position or direction.
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that is 2 free hits i'll give you. next one and i'm going to smack you.
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You tellling me your OP was not trolling?
OK, then please re-try the whole handlebar mirror thing. Adjust it so that it points in the most likely place you want to see while you are riding. This time when you look at the mirror, realize it only lets you see where it is pointed. If you need to see somewhere else, turn your HEAD and look there, do not turn the handlebar. The mirror is only a convenience tool for easy viewing to that area you pre-selected, it accomplishes nothing more, and is not a substitute for looking with your eyes when changing your lane position or direction.
OK, then please re-try the whole handlebar mirror thing. Adjust it so that it points in the most likely place you want to see while you are riding. This time when you look at the mirror, realize it only lets you see where it is pointed. If you need to see somewhere else, turn your HEAD and look there, do not turn the handlebar. The mirror is only a convenience tool for easy viewing to that area you pre-selected, it accomplishes nothing more, and is not a substitute for looking with your eyes when changing your lane position or direction.
Actually i just thought i would give a first impression of trying a mirror. i didn't think there would be such heated debate. i'm a bit surprised actually. if only i could actually troll as successfully.
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You got the Racer Boys excited. They get disgusted when they loose a race and vent on the unaware.
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edit: wait, you were talking about a bar mount weren't you? Not paying attention. Oh well, I guess that just points out the limitations of that style of bike mirror.
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Actually, since it's a helmet/head mounted object, there is no blind spot as in a vehicle so a head check really isn't necessary. A person may turn around anyway out of habit or as a redundant safety move, but it's not required.
edit: wait, you were talking about a bar mount weren't you? Oh well, I guess that just points out the limitations of that style of bike mirror.
edit: wait, you were talking about a bar mount weren't you? Oh well, I guess that just points out the limitations of that style of bike mirror.
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If you knew me, you would see the name does not fit. I'm no wimp (wanted to say something else but it's blocked ) or nothing but it was given to me by some friends based on another activity I do as a joke.
You're kinda late to the party Doc.
You're kinda late to the party Doc.
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Actually, since it's a helmet/head mounted object, there is no blind spot as in a vehicle so a head check really isn't necessary. A person may turn around anyway out of habit or as a redundant safety move, but it's not required.
edit: wait, you were talking about a bar mount weren't you? Not paying attention. Oh well, I guess that just points out the limitations of that style of bike mirror.
edit: wait, you were talking about a bar mount weren't you? Not paying attention. Oh well, I guess that just points out the limitations of that style of bike mirror.
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Yeah, I'm late to the party--work's been crazy lately and this is the first day in almost 3 weeks I've had some time to kill.
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Now the reason a mirror works for me is its faster for me to get a 6 check in the mirror than it is to try and turn my head and neck enough to get a good sight picture of what is behind me.I am 46 years old and flexable I am not, heck before I started using a mirror I was so concerned about holding my line thaton some of my stiffer days by the time I had turned and looked back and faced front again I couldnt remember what i had seen. I agree that if you are still flexable enough to turn and look it is probably better than my looking in a mirror, however I can take a look in my mirror just by flicking my eyes up and to the left. What's that take a 1/4 of a second. I still turn before any major manoovers. But in Michigan where I ride people in cars make great sport of trying to scare you out of your lycra by blasting the horn just as they pass you. or crowding you off the road or my personal favorite is the right hook while yelling "get on the sidewalk".
Are they a perfect solution, certainly not. But they do contribute to a larger overall picture of what is going on behind me.
The final thing that I would like to point out is periphrial vision. when you turn your head to look behind you, no matter how fast you do it, for just that long you are not facing the direction of travel. so if something does happen in front of you you will never see it. Now when I use my mirror to look behind me I still am facing forward and myperiphrial vision is still working for me. If something should happen in front of me while I am looking in the mirror, my periphrial vision should alert me to that. Same thing with the mirror, I have noticed many times that my periphrial vision alerts me to movement in the mirror and thus a quick check tells me if I need to focus on this object or not.
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Many years ago when all I pedaled was a steel vintage bike on LA city streets, I used a sunglass attached mirror and can honestly say it was very useful. Now that I'm all CF roadie'd up, I've yet to use one. I still have that mirror (in a box somewhere), and may try it for the comparison.