Incorrect.

They didn't have anything working at Interbike so I'd say....Vaporware.

hey, is this thing supposed to measure your right and left side power separately?

It's vaporware until I can buy it at retail. Period the end.

If you disagree with me, you are wrong, and I will banish you.

Get with the banishing. The term "vaporware" was created for products that are promised and slip indefinitely. Duke Nukem Forever is the canonical example of this. A product that is announced for the future is not instantly vaporware.

My understanding is that they had a demonstration display that could show that it was measuring something, but they haven't gotten to the point where you can actually put it on a bike and get a reliable power measurement from it.

As far as I'm concerned, that's vaporware, until there is a functioning unit.

Nobody cares what you think, plus now, you are banished.

It doesn't seem to have taken effect yet.

This is a silly semantic argument. Bottom line is that there is no working product yet, and their timeline seems to be a bit optimistic, but the idea is interesting and could be really cool if it all works.

You'd be correct if you were referring to companies with an established track record for delivering products. These guys have a long road ahead of them. It's a small market with other entrenched competitors which makes it tough to raise money to hire a bunch of engineers. As a result the principals have to do everything themselves on a shoestring budget. They will invariably be late and provided they can get the thing working sometime next year it will still take another year or so to iron out the bugs and make it reliable. Cool product, hope it works but it's still a high risk venture.

In my Pcad Magnanimity, I have Pardoned you.

This is BF. What else is there?

Good point, carry on.

Yep.

It's not really a banishment, it's more like a shunning. It's like we all put you on our ignore list.




Except why are we agreeing with pcad?

Vaporware is a term used to describe a product, usually software, that has been announced by a developer during or before its development and, therefore, may never actually be released.[1] The term is usually applied to products which fail to emerge after having well-exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.

- wikipedia

so UMD and PC are technically right but semantically incorrect, everyone else is semantically correct but technically on dubious ground.

Pedantics are fun!

quoting wikipedia is fail

Without thinking about this too much, it seems like it would be much more difficult to measure power output accurately at two different pedal spindles that it would be at the rear axle or at the crank. I would love to see another accurate competitor in the market though.

the few widely accepted definitions of vaporware are only available on the internet. that's where it was created.

vaporware existed before the web.

Somehow I doubt that, with double the transmitters and a miniscule market share of a miniscule market, this new power meter will be putting downward price pressure on anyone. Right now the three or four (I'll throw in Polar just for kicks) competitors are kind of wink-winking at each other and setting the price at a nominal $1000-$1500, with a bit of a markup for the "gold standard" of powermeters, and a bit of a markdown for the one that doesn't really work.

My bet is if it's on par with the Powertap and Quark, it'll be priced between $1000 and $1500. If it's found to be more like the Polar, they'll shave a few hundred dollars from the price to convince the casual users to come on board as the "budget" option, while they desperately try to fix their design. It won't compete with SRM simply because SRM has a reputation and this new outfit does not.

actually this is touche because a wikipedia quote supports your statement:
quoting wikipedia is not always fail. especially not on BF.

Several of us from Norcal are doing the Old La Honda Lowkey hill climb tomorrow. I'll keep an eye out for speed play riders.

Yeah, I feel your excitement. I'm jonesing for it as well - it would the poifect power solution for me. So are you pre-booking one?

V.