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OK, let's get this straight once and for all. There is no such thing as a 'metric' century. Anyone who professes to ride a metric century is the lowest form of velo life on the planet:

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Who the f cares what the F some ahole calls what the F they call what they Fn ride?? Got that??
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Originally Posted by Barese Rider
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That's some salty friggin language right there. And of course, who can argue with any of this?
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This appears to be the perfect thread for this timely and fascinating information about prime numbers.

The following category of prime numbers is called Emirps.

Emirps are prime numbers which become a different prime when their decimal digits are reversed.

13, 17, 31, 37, 71, 73, 79, 97, 107, 113, 149, 157, 167, 179, 199, 311, 337, 347, 359, 389, 701, 709, 733, 739, 743, 751, 761, 769, 907, 937, 941, 953, 967, 971, 983, 991

And this:

Even prime

The only even prime is 2. 2 is therefore sometimes called "the oddest prime" as a pun on the non-mathematical meaning of "odd".
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That's some salty friggin language right there. And of course, who can argue with any of this?
I certainly can't. Mostly because I don't understand it.
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Schroëdinger's Equation: A Historical Perspective
Atomic structure is something that is of much interest to chemists and physicists, as it is difficult to theoretically explain observable phenomenon without a sense of the nature of the atom and its behavior. You might remember from the reading on basic quantum chemistry that Niels Bohr developed a model of the atom that resembled a planetary system, with the "sun" (nucleus) in the middle with the "planets" (electrons) circling around outside in "orbits". Electrons are viewed as being "little spherical balls" that behave according to classical Newtonian physics. It was soon determined, however, that this model was too simplistic and that it often did not fit observed phenomenon. More and more rules and exceptions to the rule were required to make the data fit. Not good science.

Then in 1910, Louis DeBroglie, became interested in two of Einstein's major pieces of research: the theory of relativity and the photoelectric effect. DeBroglie thought that relativity might shed some light on Einstein's work with the photoelectric effect. DeBroglie was interested in the idea that light can be described as many "particles" of electrons, as well as being "waves," much like the waves seen in a pond when you throw in a stone or the waves created by plucking a stringed instrument. DeBroglie, in his search for a description of the wave behavior, was not taken too seriously, at least until he was able to predict what the expected wavelengths might be. DeBroglie, in his efforts to attract believers to the cause, was fortunate in that Einstein caught wind of his ideas and told his friend Max Born, who initiated a series of experimental activities which supported the concept of electron waves. A physicist by the name of Erwin Schroëdinger read some of Einstein's comments on DeBroglie, and decided that this might not be a bad thing to investigate.

In classical physics, there is a series of equations that can be used to describe a wide variety of wave forms. The classical equation looks like this:

where

u(x,t) is the displacement
v the velocity of propagation
t is the time

Schroëdinger, also a theoretical mathematician, was interested in finding a single, definitive equation whose solutions would describe the deBroglie wave regardless of the circumstances. He developed this equation:

The symbol psi is a mathematical function that calculates the strength of the deBroglie wave at various positions in space. The rest of the components are as follows:

h = Planck's constant (divided by 2 1)
m = the mass of the particle
= a partial differential operator called the Laplacian operator
V=the potential energy
=psi, the wave function
i =the square root of -1
E = total energy of the system

To satisfy the Schroëdinger equation, the wave must have the following properties:

1. The wave must satisfy the deBroglie rule p = hk, where p is equal to momentum, h is Planck's constant (6.6X10-34 J-s), and k is the wave number, an entity somewhat related to the frequency of a wave.
2. Any force present is taken into account by means of the potential energy, V, it produces.
3. The wave obeys conservation of energy, in its classical (nonrelativistic) form.

The whole problem with all of this is that Schroëdinger's equation does not make it any easier to "visualize" what these waves looked like. They are not "real waves", like water waves, but rather mathematical waves described by a mathematical function. [It is interesting to note, that the Schroëdinger equation is not a "derivable" equation, meaning one that is built by using other simpler mathematical equations or postulates. It is, rather, what is known as an "inspired" equation.]

So what did this equation do for knowing more about atomic structure? Bohr's orbital theory had the problem that if we wanted to describe the movement of an electron from Orbit 1 to Orbit 2, the rules more or less stated that the electron made an instantaneous leap from one level to the next. Schroëdinger's equation eliminated this illogical quantum jump, replacing it with a transitional process in which the wave pattern gradually fades out, while the new wave pattern fades in, during which time light is being emitted.

Schroëdinger's equation made it possible to resolve a variety of the inconsistencies that had been present in previous theories. There were, however, still some problems. Max Born, in his experimental work on electron and atomic collisions, could not completely buy into the wave theory. Born's contribution was to develop a new interpretation of Schroëdinger's wave function. Born received a Nobel Prize for the realization that while psi was not a physical reality, the square of of psi could be shown to be the probability of finding a particle (in our case, an electron) at a certain location around the nucleus.

CALCULATIONS OF INTEREST
One of the initial quantum calculations was Bohr's calculation of the radial distance of the atomic orbitals. He used classical physics, in this case angular momentum and centrifugal force, to find what we now call the Bohr radius (a0).

Starting with the equation of wave motion in one dimension:

we use a separation of variables technique to obtain an ordinary differential equation for the time-independent function w(x). Given::

we can generate:

Now the deBroglie relation of the "total energy is the sum of the potential energy U and the kinetic energy" is introduced:

This can be re-arranged to:

From these equations, we can derive:

Given :

If we set the value w equal to the wavefunction psi, we have:

which is the Schroëdinger equation in one dimension. The three-dimensional form is:

where:

We can define an operator (the Hamiltonian) as:

which allows us to write Schroëdinger's equation as:

We can use the Schroëdinger equation to predict and/or calculate the energy of atoms as electrons move around. Schroëdinger's equations can be solved exactly only for one-electron atoms. In order to describe the position of the electron relative to the nucleus, we can calculate how the wave function varies as a function of the radial distance from the nucleus. For the hydrogen atom, the 1s, 2s, and 2p wave functions are given by the equations below:

where:

r = the radial distance from the nucleus
a0=the Bohr radius (52.9 picometers,pm), which is defined at the most probable distance of the electron from the nucleus when it is in the 1s orbital.

These equations only give us the probability of finding the electron on a single radial line, beginning at the nucleus and going to infinity. We are, however, more interested in locating the electron without regard to direction, not looking along a particular radial line but looking instead at the probability that the electron is in a very thin spherical shell at distance r. This probability is obtained by averaging the square of psi over all angles.

This function is known as the radial probability function. A plot of P(r) for the 1s, 2s, and 2p wavefunctions looks like this:

Solving Schroëdinger's Equation: Computational Chemistry
What, you might ask, is the purpose of all of this, and how does it help the chemist? Schroëdinger's equation is one of the starting points for most of the quantum chemical calculations that are done now, mostly using supercomputer technology. It should again be emphasized that the equation cannont really be solved analytically for more than one particle; this means we can solve the equation for hydrogen, but not for helium or other elements or compounds. There have been, however, a number of mathematical methods that use approximation techniques to help chemists to get a sense of the atomic and/or molecular structure. Several of the methods are as follows:

1. Variation method: uses a "best guess" methodology combined with iterative techniques to make predictions about systems with a few particles, such as helium
2. the self-consistent field (SCF) theory: developed by Doug Hartree, the SCF theory makes the approximation that each electron moves in a spherically symmetrical field. Using this assumption, the Schroëdinger equation can be solved for each particle separately, then summed together
3. the Hartree-Fock approximation: a modification of the SCF theory that attempts to take into account electron spin and other motions of the electron.

As the table below shows, there are a number of approximations and other mathematical representations (including a concept known as basis sets, which will be explored in great detail!) that are used computationally. As the top part of the chart below shows, there are a number of techniques, such as the Hartree-Fock (HF) approximation, which are relatively simplistic. Moving from the left all the way to right, we have the correlation interaction (CI) method, which better approximates the "true" solution to Schroëdinger's equation, but is computationally more difficult and more "expensive".
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Originally Posted by patentcad
OK, let's get this straight once and for all. There is no such thing as a 'metric' century. Anyone who professes to ride a metric century is the lowest form of velo life on the planet:

a Metric Fred (aka Canadian Fred)
That's not very neighborly P.
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Originally Posted by rufvelo
Schroëdinger's Equation: A Historical Perspective
Atomic structure is something that is of much interest to chemists and physicists, as it is difficult to theoretically explain observable phenomenon without a sense of the nature of the atom and its behavior. You might remember from the reading on basic quantum chemistry that Niels Bohr developed a model of the atom that resembled a planetary system, with the "sun" (nucleus) in the middle with the "planets" (electrons) circling around outside in "orbits". Electrons are viewed as being "little spherical balls" that behave according to classical Newtonian physics. It was soon determined, however, that this model was too simplistic and that it often did not fit observed phenomenon. More and more rules and exceptions to the rule were required to make the data fit. Not good science.

Then in 1910, Louis DeBroglie, became interested in two of Einstein's major pieces of research: the theory of relativity and the photoelectric effect. DeBroglie thought that relativity might shed some light on Einstein's work with the photoelectric effect. DeBroglie was interested in the idea that light can be described as many "particles" of electrons, as well as being "waves," much like the waves seen in a pond when you throw in a stone or the waves created by plucking a stringed instrument. DeBroglie, in his search for a description of the wave behavior, was not taken too seriously, at least until he was able to predict what the expected wavelengths might be. DeBroglie, in his efforts to attract believers to the cause, was fortunate in that Einstein caught wind of his ideas and told his friend Max Born, who initiated a series of experimental activities which supported the concept of electron waves. A physicist by the name of Erwin Schroëdinger read some of Einstein's comments on DeBroglie, and decided that this might not be a bad thing to investigate.

In classical physics, there is a series of equations that can be used to describe a wide variety of wave forms. The classical equation looks like this:

where

u(x,t) is the displacement
v the velocity of propagation
t is the time

Schroëdinger, also a theoretical mathematician, was interested in finding a single, definitive equation whose solutions would describe the deBroglie wave regardless of the circumstances. He developed this equation:

The symbol psi is a mathematical function that calculates the strength of the deBroglie wave at various positions in space. The rest of the components are as follows:

h = Planck's constant (divided by 2 1)
m = the mass of the particle
= a partial differential operator called the Laplacian operator
V=the potential energy
=psi, the wave function
i =the square root of -1
E = total energy of the system

To satisfy the Schroëdinger equation, the wave must have the following properties:

1. The wave must satisfy the deBroglie rule p = hk, where p is equal to momentum, h is Planck's constant (6.6X10-34 J-s), and k is the wave number, an entity somewhat related to the frequency of a wave.
2. Any force present is taken into account by means of the potential energy, V, it produces.
3. The wave obeys conservation of energy, in its classical (nonrelativistic) form.

The whole problem with all of this is that Schroëdinger's equation does not make it any easier to "visualize" what these waves looked like. They are not "real waves", like water waves, but rather mathematical waves described by a mathematical function. [It is interesting to note, that the Schroëdinger equation is not a "derivable" equation, meaning one that is built by using other simpler mathematical equations or postulates. It is, rather, what is known as an "inspired" equation.]

So what did this equation do for knowing more about atomic structure? Bohr's orbital theory had the problem that if we wanted to describe the movement of an electron from Orbit 1 to Orbit 2, the rules more or less stated that the electron made an instantaneous leap from one level to the next. Schroëdinger's equation eliminated this illogical quantum jump, replacing it with a transitional process in which the wave pattern gradually fades out, while the new wave pattern fades in, during which time light is being emitted.

Schroëdinger's equation made it possible to resolve a variety of the inconsistencies that had been present in previous theories. There were, however, still some problems. Max Born, in his experimental work on electron and atomic collisions, could not completely buy into the wave theory. Born's contribution was to develop a new interpretation of Schroëdinger's wave function. Born received a Nobel Prize for the realization that while psi was not a physical reality, the square of of psi could be shown to be the probability of finding a particle (in our case, an electron) at a certain location around the nucleus.

CALCULATIONS OF INTEREST
One of the initial quantum calculations was Bohr's calculation of the radial distance of the atomic orbitals. He used classical physics, in this case angular momentum and centrifugal force, to find what we now call the Bohr radius (a0).

Starting with the equation of wave motion in one dimension:

we use a separation of variables technique to obtain an ordinary differential equation for the time-independent function w(x). Given::

we can generate:

Now the deBroglie relation of the "total energy is the sum of the potential energy U and the kinetic energy" is introduced:

This can be re-arranged to:

From these equations, we can derive:

Given :

If we set the value w equal to the wavefunction psi, we have:

which is the Schroëdinger equation in one dimension. The three-dimensional form is:

where:

We can define an operator (the Hamiltonian) as:

which allows us to write Schroëdinger's equation as:

We can use the Schroëdinger equation to predict and/or calculate the energy of atoms as electrons move around. Schroëdinger's equations can be solved exactly only for one-electron atoms. In order to describe the position of the electron relative to the nucleus, we can calculate how the wave function varies as a function of the radial distance from the nucleus. For the hydrogen atom, the 1s, 2s, and 2p wave functions are given by the equations below:

where:

r = the radial distance from the nucleus
a0=the Bohr radius (52.9 picometers,pm), which is defined at the most probable distance of the electron from the nucleus when it is in the 1s orbital.

These equations only give us the probability of finding the electron on a single radial line, beginning at the nucleus and going to infinity. We are, however, more interested in locating the electron without regard to direction, not looking along a particular radial line but looking instead at the probability that the electron is in a very thin spherical shell at distance r. This probability is obtained by averaging the square of psi over all angles.

This function is known as the radial probability function. A plot of P(r) for the 1s, 2s, and 2p wavefunctions looks like this:

Solving Schroëdinger's Equation: Computational Chemistry
What, you might ask, is the purpose of all of this, and how does it help the chemist? Schroëdinger's equation is one of the starting points for most of the quantum chemical calculations that are done now, mostly using supercomputer technology. It should again be emphasized that the equation cannont really be solved analytically for more than one particle; this means we can solve the equation for hydrogen, but not for helium or other elements or compounds. There have been, however, a number of mathematical methods that use approximation techniques to help chemists to get a sense of the atomic and/or molecular structure. Several of the methods are as follows:

1. Variation method: uses a "best guess" methodology combined with iterative techniques to make predictions about systems with a few particles, such as helium
2. the self-consistent field (SCF) theory: developed by Doug Hartree, the SCF theory makes the approximation that each electron moves in a spherically symmetrical field. Using this assumption, the Schroëdinger equation can be solved for each particle separately, then summed together
3. the Hartree-Fock approximation: a modification of the SCF theory that attempts to take into account electron spin and other motions of the electron.

As the table below shows, there are a number of approximations and other mathematical representations (including a concept known as basis sets, which will be explored in great detail!) that are used computationally. As the top part of the chart below shows, there are a number of techniques, such as the Hartree-Fock (HF) approximation, which are relatively simplistic. Moving from the left all the way to right, we have the correlation interaction (CI) method, which better approximates the "true" solution to Schroëdinger's equation, but is computationally more difficult and more "expensive".
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Originally Posted by Barese Rider
You can thank all this to a few vodkas, a couple glasses wine, some after dinner drinks. Life is Fn good. Night all.
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Originally Posted by rufvelo
Schroëdinger's Equation: A Historical Perspective
Atomic structure ... As the top part of the chart below shows, there are a number of techniques, such as the Hartree-Fock (HF) approximation, which are relatively simplistic.
Heh heh, he said Fock.
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Schrödinger. Get your umlauts straight.

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Originally Posted by Barese Rider
Who the f cares what the F some ahole calls what the F they call what they Fn ride?? Got that??
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That's some salty friggin language right there. And of course, who can argue with any of this?

He is from f ing Jersey
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Originally Posted by Pedaleur
Schrödinger. Get your umlauts straight.

That reminds me. I need to feed the cat.
good luck finding it.
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good luck finding it.
I think it's less a matter of finding it, but whether it'll be dead when you do. Kind of the way a century of any kind is simultaneously impressive and unimpressive, depending on the reference frame.
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He is from f ing Jersey
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Originally Posted by Greg180
He is from f ing Jersey
Yes but hes a wuss from central Jersey, a virtual foul mouth wannabe.
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He is from f ing Jersey
Wouldn't that make him a "guido" then?

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Originally Posted by DScott
Wouldn't that make him a "guido" then?

No what is wrong with you ! Guidos are from Staten Island,Queens Brooklyn, Bronx, Jersey City, Newark Belleville and a few other places. You Fn left coast wusses dont know sh--.

And if I was from north Jersey Id be a Benny and maybe a guido but Im not,being from the shore Im a clamdigger.

If Pcad visited hed be a benny, if his friends from the Bronx showed up they would be Guidos, but I wouldnt call them that to their face if you know whats good for you.
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Originally Posted by Barese Rider
No what is wrong with you ! Guidos are from Staten Island,Queens Brooklyn, Bronx, Jersey City, Newark Belleville and a few other places. You Fn left coast wusses dont know sh--.

And if I was from north Jersey Id be a Benny and maybe a guido but Im not,being from the shore Im a clamdigger.

If Pcad visited hed be a benny, if his friends from the Bronx showed up they would be Guidos, but I wouldnt call them that to their face if you know whats good for you.
Yah, but the Mecca for guidos is Belmar, so its easy to see why this misconception exists.
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Originally Posted by Quel
Yah, but the Mecca for guidos is Belmar, so its easy to see why this misconception exists.
True, so true. Even Belmars Mayor got in on the act a few years ago referring to "Guidos" in a public statement. Net result I think he had to make some kind of half baked apology to Staten Islanders.
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Originally Posted by Barese Rider
No what is wrong with you ! Guidos are from Staten Island,Queens Brooklyn, Bronx, Jersey City, Newark Belleville and a few other places. You Fn left coast wusses dont know sh--.

And if I was from north Jersey Id be a Benny and maybe a guido but Im not,being from the shore Im a clamdigger.

If Pcad visited hed be a benny, if his friends from the Bronx showed up they would be Guidos, but I wouldnt call them that to their face if you know whats good for you.
We don't have such distinctive sub-groupings among caucasoids on the left coast. We all just sh-- rainbows and ride our bikes all year long, hoping not to get run over by the taco trucks, geriatrics in Mercedes rushing to their plastic surgeons, or pissed off ER docs.
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