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bbp 08-05-04 10:52 AM

Frame Pump, Tools??
 
I got my first flat the other day and had to get it repaired at my LBS. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good frame pump and some tools I would need to change a tube on the road?

DocRay 08-05-04 11:06 AM

I put a small pump in my jersey (specialized). Frame pumps tend to fall off. Save money by finding one on the road, where they fall off.
Then its: plastic tire levers, small patch kit. I have a small allen key set that doubles as a tire lever, all fits in a small pouch with the patch kit -made by Schwinn ~12 bucks. I add a few 4" zip ties for emergency repairs (light, strong, cheap and very versatile). Allen set has been very useful for long rides if something gets loose.

Laggard 08-05-04 11:08 AM

Or you could buy a frame pump and for $5 buy a strap so it doesn't fall off.

bbp 08-05-04 11:17 AM

hrmmm so is a frame pump a good idea? or is this another "double vs triple" debate?

DEK 08-05-04 11:25 AM

I have the Topeak Road Morph and it's never fallen off for me.

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...tegory_ID=4361

It's a great little pump that converts to a floor pump, too.

Don Cook 08-05-04 11:26 AM

The point is that you need a pump or some other means of getting a bunch of air into your tube. I've mounted a small mini pump to the downtube bottle cage screws on both of my road bikes. I've never had one of these fall off. The cost for one is in the vicinity of $15. A Co2 kit (dispenser and cartridge) is another option. I've tried the co2 method and it works just fine, but I prefer a mini pump. Regards a "frame" pump, if your frame actually has a pump peg on the head tube, I doubt if you'd ever have the pump fall off. The frame pumps that are being used with frames that don't have pump pegs, might be the ones that are falling off?

supcom 08-05-04 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by bbp
hrmmm so is a frame pump a good idea? or is this another "double vs triple" debate?

A frame pump (or mini pump) is an excellent idea. If you are 30 miles from home and get a flat you will agree. An alternative is to carry a CO2 inflator. The advantage of these is they will inflate your tire to normal pressure in about 1 second. The disadvantage is that you get one shot per cartridge so you need a second cartridge if you get a second flat. A mini pump is harder to get full pressure and takes longer, but it's always available. A mini pump is especially good for topping up a slow leak multiple times to get home without having to fix the flat on the road.

MichaelW 08-05-04 11:28 AM

I use a Zefal HPX, which is probably the best frame pump, but only on long tours. It does obscure 2 waterbottle threads, but it doesnt fall off.
Proper (ie custom steel) bike soften come with a small boss or hook to make sure it never, ever falls off.
For everyday, get-me-home repairs I use a mini pump.
Plastic (fibre glass) tyre levers will do less damage to your rim than metal ones.
Put a small patch of sandpaper and some chalk into your patch kit for more effective repairs. Keep your spare inner in a plastic bag for protection.

drroebuck 08-05-04 11:35 AM

I just bought this. Mounts anywhere you want. The best part is that it has a pressure gauge, as well as a high pressure/high volume switch.

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...tegory_ID=4361

michael_tn 08-05-04 12:03 PM

i carry a tube, a multi-tool, a c02 pump, three c02 carts, a patch kit and 2 tire levers in my camelbak. that way i figure i can patch myself twice and a friend once and still get my butt home.

-- michael

Fat Hack 08-05-04 12:04 PM

Zefal HPX frame pump [up tp 160psi (it says it on the box)]
Tire levers, spare tube and a puncture kit.
You might wanna carry a couple of Allen wrenches also. I carry a 5mm one, because there's about 10 5mm bolts on a bike, and I can also adjust my seat height.

Most guys also carry a few bucks and a cell phone.

Carrying much more starts to get too heavy, which kinda defeats the purpose of buying a fancy bike in the first place :)

lsits 08-05-04 12:21 PM

I have a Specialized PVO (Presta Valve Only) pump. It works ok but it takes a bit of time to get it to 100 psi. One other thing I carry is a presta to schrader adaptor. It lets you use a gas station compressor on your presta valve. Cost 99 cents at the LBS.

SteveE 08-05-04 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by Fat Hack
Zefal HPX frame pump [up tp 160psi (it says it on the box)]
Tire levers, spare tube and a puncture kit.
You might wanna carry a couple of Allen wrenches also. I carry a 5mm one, because there's about 10 5mm bolts on a bike, and I can also adjust my seat height.

Most guys also carry a few bucks and a cell phone.

Carrying much more starts to get too heavy, which kinda defeats the purpose of buying a fancy bike in the first place :)

I also carry a spoke wrench and a chain tool for emergency on-the-road repairs.

Laggard 08-05-04 01:23 PM

What I carry:

Chain tool, frame pump, spanner, floor stand, TIG welder, crank puller, floor pump, third hand, fourth hand, truing stand, pedal wrench, bearing press, levers, hex set, sprocket chain, spoke wrench, two water bottles, cell phone, gps unit, $172.50, power bar, pork roast, spare socks, arm and leg warmers, spare spokes, flare gun, mace, a video of the 1992 Liege-Bastogne-Liege, bike lock, and on really long rides, a generator.

Seriously.

You might want to add a few things.

michael_tn 08-05-04 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by Laggard
What I carry:

Chain tool, frame pump, spanner, floor stand, TIG welder, crank puller, floor pump, third hand, fourth hand, truing stand, pedal wrench, bearing press, levers, hex set, sprocket chain, spoke wrench, two water bottles, cell phone, gps unit, $172.50, power bar, pork roast, spare socks, arm and leg warmers, spare spokes, flare gun, mace, a video of the 1992 Liege-Bastogne-Liege, bike lock, and on really long rides, a generator.

no beer? :-)

PiratePete 08-05-04 02:57 PM

Defenatly strap down a frame pump. I had mine fall off while cornering, hit my knee, distract me for just a split second, and the next thing I know I'm sliding on my back (luckily in the grass).

duracann 08-05-04 03:03 PM

I carry a mini-pump in my jersey pocket, two extra tubes, and tire levers. Thats it. I would carry more but don't like all of the weight on my back whilst riding.

MacMan 08-05-04 03:08 PM

Blackburn Air Stick. Comes with it's own frame attachment that screws into the bottle-holder holes. The pump is held in place by tension (clips into two arms) and a velcro strap. I've had it on two bikes and it has never even remotely looked like falling off. I don't give a fart what it looks like on the bike and I don't care to mess with CO2, so it works for me! Rated up to 140 psi, btw.

Trek Rider 08-05-04 03:39 PM

I carry a Topeak Road Morph, a Topeak Alien toolkit, one spare tube on shorter (<50 miles), a patch kit, a spare Shimano pin (in case someone needs one) and a spare Powerlink (also in case someone needs one).

sm266 08-05-04 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by DEK
I have the Topeak Road Morph and it's never fallen off for me.

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...tegory_ID=4361

It's a great little pump that converts to a floor pump, too.

I like mine, too.

DocRay 08-05-04 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by Laggard
What I carry:

Chain tool, frame pump, spanner, floor stand, TIG welder, crank puller, floor pump, third hand, fourth hand, truing stand, pedal wrench, bearing press, levers, hex set, sprocket chain, spoke wrench, two water bottles, cell phone, gps unit, $172.50, power bar, pork roast, spare socks, arm and leg warmers, spare spokes, flare gun, mace, a video of the 1992 Liege-Bastogne-Liege, bike lock, and on really long rides, a generator.

Seriously.

You might want to add a few things.

...hip waders, oven mitts, 23.25" of aluminum foil, DVD of the 1992 Liege-Bastogne-Liege (lighter), pipe bender, tazer, a photo of G.W. Bush, toothpick, 120 euros, flat screen TV.

jedi_rider 08-05-04 06:06 PM

I have no problems with the Specialized PVO road pump or the Topeak Road Morph pump.

Kris Flatlander 08-05-04 07:21 PM

I've heard good things about the RavX Master X Mini, it is like a C02 inflator but doubles as a mini pump if you don't want to carry (or run out of) CO2.

froze 08-05-04 11:24 PM

Ok, your going to get very confused by all the advice, so here's one more to add to the confusion!

Personally I like frame pumps because they can pump to higher pressure faster then a mini; I own both but only take the mini on trips less than 75 miles because I ride on Specialize Armadillo's thus flats are very rare. The mini I carry is the smallest lightest mini on the market, it's a Torelli Aria and clips onto the side of a water bottle cage or fit's into a seat bag or jersey pocket or CamelBack pocket. I've used the mini and yes it does take quite a few pumps but your not sitting there pumping and watching the sun set! Probably takes about 45 pumps to get the pressure to 80psi.

Tool wise is weird for me because I ride in remote areas and don't like to be dependent on my wife to come get me should something happen if at all possible. So I carry a Park MTB1 (they now have a better one called MTB3); this thing has about 21 different tools in it...but I ride a road bike and the included tire levers are too wide because it was made for a MTB. So I also carry 2 tire irons, a Quik Stik (that removes tires fast) and a VAR tire tool that allow me to be able to put on that last inch of the very stiff Armadillo tires without worrying about damaging the rim, tire or tube doing it. I also carry a cheap Walmart Eddie Bower (sp?) mini tool that has a pair of needle nose pliers that fold up very small. That's it for tools.

I also carry a glueless patches because they work just as good as the glue type without the glue step and wait to dry time, and no worries about finding a dried glue tube; and a tire boot. I also carry a spare tube, spare ultralight racing tire, extra batteries for the rear tail light and computer, $25 cash (for food or some sort of emergency), some first aide stuff like bandaides, a gauze pad, ointment, and alcohol wipes; photo ID; and a key to get into the house.

ultra-g 08-06-04 01:38 AM


Originally Posted by DEK
I have the Topeak Road Morph and it's never fallen off for me.

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...tegory_ID=4361

It's a great little pump that converts to a floor pump, too.

I also have this Road Morph pump, attached to my top-tube via the little plastic hoop it comes with, no problems. Hopefully I'll never have to use it.

I also have a wedge-seat-pack thingy with a crappy Schwinn bike tool (that I use more than my $75.00 Leatherman Wave), patch kit, tire levers and a wrench (I've got bolt-on wheels). I keep the spare tube in the back of my jersey when I ride.

At home I have the Topeak Joe Blow Sprint floor pump, it's the one I use mainly.


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