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Machka 04-13-10 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by Dheorl (Post 10662763)
I can be on the bike for hours though, and never feel the need to leave the hoods.

Kinda why I asked the question, do people feel the need to move because they get uncomfortable or because it enables them to get more speed in whatever situation?

Moving my hands has absolutely nothing to do with getting more speed. I move my hands just like I move my legs into different positions when I'm sitting at my desk at work. I'm not one to sit still for hours ... at my desk or on a bicycle.

merlinextraligh 04-13-10 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by Dheorl (Post 10662763)
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Kinda why I asked the question, do people feel the need to move because they get uncomfortable or because it enables them to get more speed in whatever situation?

1) To avoid getting uncomfortable.

2) To go faster (or same speed with less work). If you're running an aggressive drop from the seat to the bars, it's likely not going to be comfortable to ride in the drops all day long on a long ride.

3) To increase stability cornering or descending.

And you don't need to get so aero if you're just tooling along, or you're sitting in the paceline. So you can ride along on the hoods, and then get in the drops when it's your turn to pull, when you turn into a headwind, when you're bridging between groups, when you're off the front solo, when you're going to sprint, when you're cornering or descending, or when you just want to pickup the pace.

Tsuru 04-13-10 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by stevetone (Post 10660649)
1. back hooks
2. front hooks
3. top of shifter
4. hoods
5. front of hoods at the bend
6. wide tops
7. narrow tops
8. wrist on tops

Guess that's 8.

Yep + no hands -- being able to de-layer in the back of a fast group ride is a good thing.

And the reason? comfort, control, aerodynamics, & mood, I s'pose.

rat fink 04-13-10 11:25 AM

I do pretty much every position mentioned in this thread. One position I sometimes use is where I have one hand in the drop and hand on the the top, near the the first curve. I find this position to give me a lot of control while not having to reach as far. Does anyone else do this?

njkayaker 04-13-10 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by FreddyV (Post 10662746)
Hoods when going downhill (yes, I get scared downhilling in the drops).

You might actually be safer with your hands on the bend (where the bars curve down) with your two first fingers on the end of the brake levers than you are on the hoods. You have better leverage on the brakes that way and your hands won't get as tired.

You can also slide your butt rearward to reduce the likelihood of the "over the handle bars" effect.


Originally Posted by Dheorl (Post 10660554)
Just wondering, how many hand positions do you guys actually use?

People always use the number of hand positions as the main reason for drops. In normal riding I only ever find myself on the hoods though.

If I'm trying to go faster than I could on the hoods (generally due to air resistance in whatever form) then I'll go into the drops, but that's about the only other position I use enough to even be worth mentioning.

Wondering if I'm the only one like this any everyone actually makes use of all the wonderful extra hand positions.

In my "normal" riding, I'm often trying to keep up with people faster than I am, on fairly longish rides (50+ miles).

Part of the skill of bicycling is managing momentum efficiently so you don't waste it. Using the drops (more) is a key tool for this. It's surprising to me that so many people who ride a lot almost never use the drops.

I ride on the hoods when I'm going relatively slow. I use the top of the bar for variation. I'll ride on the curves to get low and get better leverage on the brakes. I'll ride on the ends to get low and be able to rest on my arms/hands.

umd 04-13-10 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by FreddyV (Post 10662746)
Hoods when going downhill (yes, I get scared downhilling in the drops).

Drops give you more control and more powerful braking. What is it about going downhill in the drops that scares you?

FreddyV 04-13-10 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by umd (Post 10664740)
Drops give you more control and more powerful braking. What is it about going downhill in the drops that scares you?

Not really sure what it is. Just a feeling based on nothing at all probably :)

caloso 04-13-10 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy (Post 10662773)

I use that one a lot myself, especially on a windy flat. I can get my torso as low as I would in the drops, but being able to rest my wrist/forearm along the top curve is comfy.

Grumpy McTrumpy 04-13-10 01:15 PM

I love twisty downhills. It's like riding a sportbike.

asok 04-13-10 01:17 PM

About 8.

If you a combination of positions like LH tops RH hoods the list would get quite long.

Dan The Man 04-13-10 01:17 PM

If I am bored or my wrists hurt I will rest my elbows on the tops like I have invisible tri bars. If I am really bored and there is no traffic, I will rest my forehead or chin on my forearms. You can almost take a nap in this position.

umd 04-13-10 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy (Post 10664961)
I love twisty downhills. It's like riding a sportbike.

I've never ridden a sportbike, but I love twisty descents as well.

FreddyV 04-13-10 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by caloso (Post 10664957)
I use that one a lot myself, especially on a windy flat. I can get my torso as low as I would in the drops, but being able to rest my wrist/forearm along the top curve is comfy.

That's another one I use too. Didn't even think of it until I saw the picture.

Another one I forgot to mention is laying your wrists on the tops. Haven't done that since I rebuilt my bike though, front end seems more twitchy than I remember it to be, so I'll save that position for later.

rat fink 04-13-10 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy (Post 10664961)
I love twisty downhills. It's like riding a sportbike.

Amen to that! It's the only reason I climb. Well that, and the only place where you will find more than three square feet of flat ground around here, is under a house...

echappist 04-13-10 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by FreddyV (Post 10664931)
Not really sure what it is. Just a feeling based on nothing at all probably :)

do your squeeze your legs against the top tube when descending? that usually adds some (illusion of) stability

atmdad 04-13-10 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by rat fink (Post 10664344)
I do pretty much every position mentioned in this thread. One position I sometimes use is where I have one hand in the drop and hand on the the top, near the the first curve. I find this position to give me a lot of control while not having to reach as far. Does anyone else do this?

I do this quite a bit. On my work commute I have two downhill stretches that I need to move over a lane to make a left turn. Right hand in the drop to maximize breaking if needed and left on the top curve or hood to make it easier to look over the shoulder to keep an eye out for the "enemy".

Other than that I move my hands all over the bar for variety/comfort/conditions.

merlinextraligh 04-13-10 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by umd (Post 10664740)
Drops give you more control and more powerful braking. What is it about going downhill in the drops that scares you?


Originally Posted by FreddyV (Post 10664931)
Not really sure what it is. Just a feeling based on nothing at all probably :)

I think its just a matter of practice. A lot of people feel more secure in a more upright position. Where in fact the lower center of gravity in the drops is more secure.

Practice cornering and descending in the drops for a little bit, and I bet you will come around to feeling more secure descending that way.

neversummer 04-13-10 02:40 PM

my 2 fav's are.
1. Drops on flat/downhill ( this is most comfortable for me )
2. for steep hills , I like to rest my forearms ( above pic ), since im 6 2 / 200 pounds, im just trying to survive the hill


Dont really like riding on the hoods that much , unless im cruising/not pushing myself.

Tsuru 04-13-10 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh (Post 10665356)
I think its just a matter of practice. A lot of people feel more secure in a more upright position. Where in fact the lower center of gravity in the drops is more secure.

Practice cornering and descending in the drops for a little bit, and I bet you will come around to feeling more secure descending that way.

I think you are right. Being at your widest, most comfortable, & used hand position, and more upright with nice clear vision is probably just a "comfort position" thing.

But yeah, down in the drops is the way to go! PEE-YOO! WHEEE!

merlinextraligh 04-13-10 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by neversummer (Post 10665434)
for steep hills , I like to rest my forearms ( above pic ), since im 6 2 / 200 pounds, im just trying to survive the hill


This doesn't make a lot of sense. That position with the elbows bent deep is intended to get you aero, similar to being in the drops. Riding a steep uphill, aerodynamics is mostly out the window, and you're better off sitting upright and breathing.

umd 04-13-10 02:56 PM

Even if you aren't trying to go faster, descending in the drops is worth it just for better braking leverage.

Tsuru 04-13-10 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh (Post 10665516)
This doesn't make a lot of sense. That position with the elbows bent deep is intended to get you aero, similar to being in the drops. Riding a steep uphill, aerodynamics is mostly out the window, and you're better off sitting upright and breathing.

You know, I've done this a couple times (admittedly it's makes no sense on my part)... I think my brain would think, "hey, let's rest on the bars while we climb!" and I'll agree and a few seconds later wonder why I'm struggling to breath, shake my head, and get back up top.

halfspeed 04-13-10 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by carpediemracing (Post 10662735)
Just a thought, in general - If you don't use a position due to comfort issues, the bike may not fit you properly.

There's that, or the OP may lack core fitness.


Originally Posted by carpediemracing (Post 10662735)
I don't use IABs, for two reasons. First, I can't TT, so being more aero is kind of an oxymoron for me. Second, I feel unstable, and being risk averse, I don't like feeling unstable.

I use drops, hoods, tops.

I try and hook a finger/thumb around something. Eddy B would say to have something hooked to your bar so that if you hit something unexpectedly (more likely if you're sightseeing or in the middle of a group of riders), your hand doesn't go flying off. He was pretty critical of riders who casually laid their hands on the bars. I think the word he used was "stupid".

I used to ride casually like that, but, again, being a risk averse person, I now ride with either with a hooked finger or being very aware of what's ahead of me.

When I ride IABs, I rest my forearms along the ramps and drape my hands in front of the brake levers so I can hook the bottom of the levers with my fingers while also being able to brake. Of course, I don't do this in a group.

FreddyV 04-14-10 02:00 AM

Thanks for the advice.

I took my commute's downhill today in the drops. It felt a bit awkward at first, but it's worth it. Takes a little getting used to, but it feels good.

Dheorl 04-14-10 02:16 AM


Originally Posted by halfspeed (Post 10666823)
There's that, or the OP may lack core fitness.

Hmm, after saying that the only positions I use are hoods or in the drops, this doesn't quite make sense. If I only used the tops then maybe.

So once you get past hoods - cruising, drops - downhill/overcoming wind/sprinting and tops - breathing is there any extra functionality to the other hand positions, or is it purely for variation for the wrists/arms?


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