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collegeboymike 04-28-10 10:48 AM

Chorus or Super Record
 
Now I know this sounds like a simple question to answer, and that the answer is to get Super Record, but please read through the post first, as I am more concerned about durability and long term use than light weightness, sine both units are s light.

Basically, I am trying to choose weather to have my bike equipped with the Super Record groupset, or with the Chorus groupset. Currently the bike has the Chorus 10 speed on it, from 08, however for around $1500 more I can have the shop replace everything with the new Super Record groupset. Cost is not an issue here at all, BUT I want to make sure I am getting what is best for me. Yes, I know the Super Record is lighter, and looks freaking awesome, but as far as durability goes, is the Chorus actually more durable than the Super Record?

I know the titanium cogs of the super record wear faster, but besides that, is everything else built to last more than the Chorus. I keep hearing conflicting stories. Some of the workers at the bike shop said with Chorus you get as much performance as you can get out of the Campagnolo stuff before you start getting into parts that wear fast. With other websites etc, all they do is talk about how much time and effort went into the new Super Record stuff to make it last an extremely long amount of time.

I honestly want the Super Record stuff, but I don't want to get it if it is something that is made for race specific use only (Like drag racing cars, and how you rebuild some of their engines so often). I want the performance and looks, however I want the parts to last on the bike for me.

Is Chorus or Super Record the way to go for me?

Thanks for the help guys.

mattm 04-28-10 10:50 AM

So is the current shifting broken?

Or you just have to spend $$?

leooooo 04-28-10 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by collegeboymike (Post 10736010)
I am more concerned about durability and long term use than light weightness, sine both units are s light.

Chorus.


Originally Posted by collegeboymike (Post 10736010)
Cost is not an issue here at all

Super Record


Originally Posted by collegeboymike (Post 10736010)
I honestly want the Super Record stuff

Super Record


Originally Posted by collegeboymike (Post 10736010)
I want the performance and looks, however I want the parts to last on the bike for me.

I guess cost is an issue then?

Chorus sounds good for you.

AngryScientist 04-28-10 10:54 AM

you do understand that the hierarchy is chorus - record - super record correct?

most of the pro peloton is running record. stick with chorus cassettes, they last longer.

mmmdonuts 04-28-10 10:55 AM

Why the jump from Chorus to Super Record? What about Record?

topflightpro 04-28-10 10:55 AM

If you're concerned about durability, just buy the Chorus chain and cassette and SR everywhere else.

AngryScientist 04-28-10 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by mmmdonuts (Post 10736039)
Why the jump from Chorus to Super Record? What about Record?

i suspect the OP is unaware that there is a difference between record and super record.

noobs

collegeboymike 04-28-10 11:00 AM

They are both brand new. I am making this decision before I pick up the bike. Want to make sure I'm happy before I finalize everything basically.

collegeboymike 04-28-10 11:02 AM

Yes, I am aware of Record. Perhaps as another poster said...Chorus cassette, with SR everything else?

collegeboymike 04-28-10 11:03 AM

Not cost being an issue...I just hate having to deal with parts wearing out and me replacing them more often than I have to. Thanks for your thoughts.

collegeboymike 04-28-10 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by AngryScientist (Post 10736052)
i suspect the OP is unaware that there is a difference between record and super record.

noobs

I am aware of the differences, but yes I am a noob to road biking. Thats why I am coming to you experts for my questions.

ridenow 04-28-10 11:06 AM

Sounds like you want Super Record. I agree with the other posts about using a Chorus cassette for durability. I think the Super Record will be as durable as Chorus. I've had 2 bikes with Chorus 10, one has 43k miles and the other 22k miles. I've just replaced the usual stuff, cassettes, chains and brake pads. Big chainring on the 43k mile bike. I'm pretty sure SR would last as long, but even if it's 10% less you'd still get > 30k miles out of it. And I keep my bikes a long time, so you'd probably upgrade sooner than you'd see any durability problems?

leooooo 04-28-10 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by collegeboymike (Post 10736075)
Yes, I am aware of Record. Perhaps as another poster said...Chorus cassette, with SR everything else?

It's a bingo!

DaveSSS 04-28-10 11:08 AM

There is only one part that may actually lasts longer and that is the BB bearings. The CULT bearings are unlike any other ceramic bearing used on bikes and only require oil for lubrication. If you buy Chorus and wear out the bearings, they can be replaced with SR bearings, later.

There is also one ceramic ball bearing on the lower jockey pulley, compared to Record that has two ceramic bushings and Chorus that has two standard bronze bushings. The ceramics are intended to reduce friction more than increase life.

The SR parts cost a lot more and shave very few grams from the total weight. Chorus is a far better deal. You can buy the whole group for about $1100 from Ribble. The SR group costs $1960. It's not worth $860 more. The Record group isn't worth over $500 more, either. It used to be more like $300 more, which was tolerable.

There is no reason you should have to accept all SR parts; you can mix and match as you please. I never buy anything but Chorus cassettes because they cost about 1/3 as much as SR and last twice as long.

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/groups..._GS&type=RIBMO


http://www.shinybikes.com/bike/Groupsets/

kayakdiver 04-28-10 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by DaveSSS (Post 10736114)
There is only one part that may actually lasts longer and that is the BB bearings. The CULT bearings are unlike any other ceramic bearing used on bikes and only require oil for lubrication. If you buy Chorus and wear out the bearings, they can be replaced with SR bearings, later.

There is also one ceramic ball bearing on the lower jockey pulley, compared to Record that has two ceramic bushings and Chorus that has two standard bronze bushings. The ceramics are intended to reduce friction more than increase life.

The SR parts cost a lot more and shave very few grams from the total weight. Chorus is a far better deal. You can buy the whole group for about $1100 from Ribble. The SR group costs $1960. It's not worth $860 more. The Record group isn't worth over $500 more, either. It used to be more like $300 more, which was tolerable.

There is no reason you should have to accept all SR parts; you can mix and match as you please. I never buy anything but Chorus cassettes because they cost about 1/3 as much as SR and last twice as long.

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/groups..._GS&type=RIBMO


http://www.shinybikes.com/bike/Groupsets/

This isn't the place for rational thought. ;)

collegeboymike 04-28-10 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by ridenow (Post 10736098)
Sounds like you want Super Record. I agree with the other posts about using a Chorus cassette for durability. I think the Super Record will be as durable as Chorus. I've had 2 bikes with Chorus 10, one has 43k miles and the other 22k miles. I've just replaced the usual stuff, cassettes, chains and brake pads. Big chainring on the 43k mile bike. I'm pretty sure SR would last as long, but even if it's 10% less you'd still get > 30k miles out of it. And I keep my bikes a long time, so you'd probably upgrade sooner than you'd see any durability problems?

I keep things I own forever too, hence why I have learned my lesson to ALWAYS buy the best and be happy with my purchase right off the bat. Thanks for the advice.

TRaffic Jammer 04-28-10 11:22 AM

+1 on SR with C cassette, SR brakes are hella nicer IMHO.

AngryScientist 04-28-10 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by collegeboymike (Post 10736095)
I am aware of the differences, but yes I am a noob to road biking. Thats why I am coming to you experts for my questions.

if you are aware of the differences, why are you not considering record stuff, just curious ?

collegeboymike 04-28-10 11:33 AM

The deal is only applying for SR at this shop. They have it in stock right now.

collegeboymike 04-28-10 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by TRaffic Jammer (Post 10736203)
+1 on SR with C cassette, SR brakes are hella nicer IMHO.

One question...if I switch to 11 Chorus cassette, do I also need to switch to 11 Chorus chain and 11 Chorus Chainset? Or, will the SR 11 chain and 11 crankset work with the 11 Chorus cassette? Just want to make sure before I make things final. I'm about to go over there now. Thanks everyone. I'll post up pics when I have the bike.

AngryScientist 04-28-10 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by collegeboymike (Post 10736260)
The deal is only applying for SR at this shop. They have it in stock right now.

gotcha. in that case, if you have to buy the complete group, just buy the SR, replacing a cassette a few thousand miles down the road is really no big deal.

TRaffic Jammer 04-28-10 11:53 AM

If both Campy 11's I can't ANY reason why they'd not mesh together just nicely. Inquire with your shop to double check before ordering, but I'd be gobsmacked to find they didn't roll together.

DaveSSS 04-28-10 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by collegeboymike (Post 10736280)
One question...if I switch to 11 Chorus cassette, do I also need to switch to 11 Chorus chain and 11 Chorus Chainset? Or, will the SR 11 chain and 11 crankset work with the 11 Chorus cassette? Just want to make sure before I make things final. I'm about to go over there now. Thanks everyone. I'll post up pics when I have the bike.

All 11 speed parts are fully interchangeable. A Record chain just has hollow pins to save about 15-20 grams. The chainrings on SR, Record and Chorus are exactly the same - another reason you get little for all the extra for SR.

collegeboymike 04-28-10 12:16 PM

Thanks everyone. Headed there now. Gonna work a deal with him to have everything SR but the cassette Chorus. Thanks for all of your helpful advice.

scb 04-28-10 01:06 PM

I have SR11 on a couple of bikes and Chorus 11 on another. Difficult to feel the difference but notice the appearance difference. Suggest Chorus.


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