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Blackdays 06-21-10 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by umd (Post 10997335)
This was a hilly cat 3 road race. The squirrely people who can't climb don't come or were already shelled.

I probably should have put "some" before people. I'm not in the 3's (yet...), so I still see it in men's D races.

Rippin 06-21-10 07:09 PM

Great vid UMD....but I didn't hear anyone breathing heavy...:D
If it were me going up that climb you'd certainly hear me from a distance!

ktanner777 06-23-10 02:31 AM

[QUOTE=wens;10997626]

Originally Posted by ktanner777 (Post 10997603)

Mostly for the sake of being contrary, but because it does have some relevance, these are not necessarily the same thing. At 5'9.5" and 175 or so I was in shape at the weight I wanted to be at for swimming. For cycling this would probably be less desirable, but I certaintly wasn't out of shape.

And that is why I said "in shape and carrying less weight" to eliminate top heavy, muscle dude bros.

ktanner777 06-23-10 02:36 AM

[QUOTE=Terex;10997627]

Originally Posted by ktanner777 (Post 10997603)

Coming from the climbing capitol of America, Palm City, FL. :thumb:

You got me there jersey boy. Have a Jager Bomb on me, and then hit those massive elevations in jersey.

oilman_15106 06-23-10 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by rousseau (Post 10991243)
Yeah, I'll definitely stand up more. But I'm guessing that shedding a few saddle bags will be the key here.

Try this: broke a seatpost clamp and had to ride 15 miles standing up to get home. Pain in the xxx, even when it is flat.

electrik 06-23-10 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by oilman_15106 (Post 11010298)
Try this: broke a seatpost clamp and had to ride 15 miles standing up to get home. Pain in the xxx, even when it is flat.

Done that, but after the seat was stolen!

OiS 06-24-10 01:34 AM


Originally Posted by frpax (Post 10990636)
Climbing, whether in the saddle or out of the saddle is easier when you are packing less weight up the hill. Always. And forever.

Agreed!

Terex 06-24-10 09:07 AM

[QUOTE=ktanner777;11005374]

Originally Posted by Terex (Post 10997627)

You got me there jersey boy. Have a Jager Bomb on me, and then hit those massive elevations in jersey.

A fairly comprehensive site for climbs in NJ. Also includes NY and other areas.

http://www.roberts-1.com/b/u/nj/hills/index.htm

Creatre 06-24-10 09:41 AM

I did a few workouts in the spring where I did hill repeats, but switched off every other time between staying seated and standing the whole way up. It dramatically improved my standing ability, and I've noticed recently I've lost some of that since I moved away from that mountain I was using for the repeats. I am mostly a seated climber and stand when the gradient is 14%+ when my cadence drops out of my preferred range while seated.

rousseau 07-06-10 12:26 PM

Update:

Saturday evening I did a good hard ride with lots of out-of-the-saddle climbing up the hills. I really got my heart rate up, and felt some good pain in the quads. Sunday I rested, and then Monday evening I did a nice easy ride without getting my heart rate up at all. You know what I noticed on Monday, though? I felt good, and the hills I casually went up (seated on the saddle) didn't seem hard at all.

Questions:

1. Did my muscles recover and get a bit stronger?
2. If so, what's my next move to build on this progress?
3. Or, is my perceived improvement mostly psychosomatic?
4. If so, does it matter?

P.S. I may have a lot of posts, but I overtrained when I first got back on the bike a few years ago, and then I was off the bike for almost a year, and I tend to forget stuff, anyway, so I'm not what you might call very knowledgeable about all this.

electrik 07-06-10 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by rousseau (Post 11068092)
Update:

Saturday evening I did a good hard ride with lots of out-of-the-saddle climbing up the hills. I really got my heart rate up, and felt some good pain in the quads. Sunday I rested, and then Monday evening I did a nice easy ride without getting my heart rate up at all. You know what I noticed on Monday, though? I felt good, and the hills I casually went up (seated on the saddle) didn't seem hard at all.

Questions:

1. Did my muscles recover and get a bit stronger?
2. If so, what's my next move to build on this progress?
3. Or, is my perceived improvement mostly psychosomatic?
4. If so, does it matter?

P.S. I may have a lot of posts, but I overtrained when I first got back on the bike a few years ago, and then I was off the bike for almost a year, and I tend to forget stuff, anyway, so I'm not what you might call very knowledgeable about all this.

Probably just a case of "fresh legs" from your rest day. Also... I wouldn't ride in this crap i was out for a couple hours sunday and drank about 5L of water! So your next step is to ride super-early in the morning or after the sun goes down wait out the smog/heat wave... it can have a negative impact on your training if you're out there huffing ozone and baking like a tortoise lying on it's back under the hot sun.

rousseau 07-06-10 08:13 PM

So how do you get stronger legs, then?

I'm riding in the late evenings just before the sun goes down. I'm also in a smaller town about an hour and a half southwest of Toronto, so I do a lot of riding in the country. No smog here, just the sweet fragrance of pig manure when they spray the fields in spring!

Pkmnwill 07-06-10 09:06 PM

umd i agree nice video and yoiu shouldve attacked on the hill =)

electrik 07-06-10 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by rousseau (Post 11070771)
So how do you get stronger legs, then?

I'm riding in the late evenings just before the sun goes down. I'm also in a smaller town about an hour and a half southwest of Toronto, so I do a lot of riding in the country. No smog here, just the sweet fragrance of pig manure when they spray the fields in spring!

Keep training and pushing the limit of course.

The "smog" i'm talking about is low level ozone which is quite different than the particulate smog you'll find in the city. This ozone is generated by the sun's rays hitting smog. Ground level ozone is distributed fairly evenly across SW Ontario, you won't be safe just because you're 30 minutes outside the city limits, smog from London, Hamilton, Windsor or Detroit can generate ozone in your area if the winds are right(See the futility of closing our smog belching coal plants and buying power from Americans who just open another coal plant upwind in Detroit and smoke us out just the same!). Ozone can become concentrated enough to burn the leaves of certain crops - so just imagine what it is doing to your lungs - you might as well be smoking if you're out vigoursly exercising on days when the o3 levels are high.

The best option during a smog wave is to exercise very early in the morning or indoors only. Maybe do some weight training and "core" exercises to help your out of saddle stability instead of cardio.


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