What's you're guys opinion on the best set of training wheels. They should be cheap....36 hole.....14 straight spokes...

What rim?

What hub?

Right now performance is selling some 36 hole 105 hubs for ($70 set= $58 after 20% coupon)

They also have some ultegra hubs in 32 hole for the same price, but they are 32 hole and I want these rims to be beaters!!!!

Nobody has any opinions on this?

How about MAvic Ma-3's. Are they strong or not?

Come on, Don't tell me you all run Krysium's for your every day rides? You've got a beater pair of wheels you use also.

I have only one pair ... Shimano 7700s. Have ~9K on them. Never been trued. Never broken a spoke. Most of the roads are good here, but there's a few sections south of Laguna Beach with some sketchy asphalt; I've bunny hopped my way across some of these at 25+. Wheels are good ...

I don't see lots of my wheels around although I have seen the Ultegra version on occassion. The area's crawling with Ksyriums though; see 'em everywhere. Those guys, like me, are out riding (not racing).

Best.

Assuming you arent out jumping curbs, I think pretty much any modern wheel with the exception of ultra-light speciality race wheels are going to be just fine for everyday riding.

I use Aray, cromed(and bow howdy they shine) steel, square section, non hooked(low pressure), 36 hole 27" rims, old 11/4" schwinn tires 80 psi. Still straight as an arrow after 30 years.
Hey your legs only know pedal resistance and cadence - which are easily changed by shifting, they could not care less about your velocity relative to the tarmac.

[EDIT] and I do small wheelies and have rough roads with bad shoulders and an occational curb(I don't exactly jump curbs but I don't really baby it either)

I wish I could have 7700s as my beaters...heh.

I'd go with 105s/open pros. open pros are pretty tough wheels. I've never used the MA3s, though. mavic is generally good quality, though. I was thinking of getting an ma3/surly rear wheel for my fixie before I heard about the BB lockring/loctite method.

i'd be worried about a $58 set, especially one that you can beat up on for mileage, maintenance and keeping true..
I bought a set of Mavic CXP-33s laced to Ultegra hubs for like $158 new.. CXP33s are for the most part bulletproof.
If you don't want to spend that much, another option are the CXP-21s, probably laced to a shimano sora or 105 hub, and I've seen them for around $110 for a set.

THe $58/set was just for the hubs!!!! I still need to build them into wheels with spokes.

Thanks for the info on the CXP-33 rims for some reason I wasn't able to find info on them at the mavic website.

If you want a decent wheel set that will hold up yet be fairly inexpensive look into Torelli Master Series; they come in a 36 hole flavor and have double stainless steel eyelets, they weigh as much as Mavic Open Pros but only cost $44 each instead of $65+ for the Mavics. And these rims are fantastic rims, their used by a lot of Euro Pros to train on-more then the Mavics! I have a set that now have over 38,000 miles and rarely do I have to true them even just slightly. htpp://www.torelli.com/home.html?default.shtml&1

Attached to these a pair 105 hubs which are a decent inexpensive hub that some roadies actually race on. Spoke wise, even thought the 14 guage spoke you mentioned is the cheapest route at about 50cents each, DT Competition spokes would save you about 50grms per wheel PLUS be more aero, and would only cost you 70cents each...that's only 20cents more per spoke, a great deal for stronger, lighter and more aero spoke. Then have the wheel laced 3x for more strength. When done you'll have a bullet proof wheel for about $40 less then a Mavic wheelset.

There is also a Sun rim called the CR18, not quite the quality of the Torelli's but a decent rim for only about $28 per rim. Go that route with all the above mentioned stuff and you would be about $80 less then a Mavic wheelset.

Also you going to have to choose between brass and alloy nipples. The alloy are lighter and only cost about 5 cents more per nip, but brass is more durable, however with a 36 spoke wheelset the durablity issue should never even come up.

THanks that was some good info. Torelli master series sounds exactly what I want......33,000 miles is not bad for a set of rims. That makes spending the extra $15 a rim worth it compared to MA-3's. I'll check out the sun CR-18' s also.