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lol. $2700 is prolly more than what Id be spending on the frame......wtf =p.
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Originally Posted by phops
(Post 11391543)
Not everyone has the money to spend $2700 (MSRP) on a "beater bike"...
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Originally Posted by Yaniel
(Post 11389430)
it's not fair to compare msrp to an e-tailers price. granted, you won't find Apex for $200 but you can find Rival for 600 shipped, so I'm sure Apex will be less than that, and definitely less than 700.
Apex may be very affordable in a year or two when they have backstock of previous years' groups to sell. |
Originally Posted by Yaniel
(Post 11391259)
i don't understand why everyone says sram requires so much effort to shift. i always shift mine with my pinky, or while holding the hoods, I'll kind of twist my hand and operate the paddle with the second knuckle of my index finger near the top of it (where I have the least amount of leverage) and i've never found the shifts difficult.
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Originally Posted by capt211
(Post 11392852)
you have to take into consideration that not everyone is as strong as you are. ;)
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Originally Posted by Yaniel
(Post 11392579)
what does that have to do with anything?
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On a related note, does anyone know if:
- Shimano brakeset will work or work well with SRAM brifters? - And for brake performance, SRAM or Shimano (assuming apple to apple comparion in price, e.g. Force vs Ultegra)?
Originally Posted by ph4nt0mf1ng3rs
(Post 11388059)
I have a post floating around about Shimano groupos.
Time for SRAM. SRAM Apex seems to be their lowest level groupo, Apparently built for entry level racing. My impression of SRAM is that they primarily make groupos for racing, whereas Shimano, while still making groupos for racing, also make groupos for every day riders, (2200, sora..??). Im not quite sure, but any help and discussion about their groupos vs. Shimanos would be helpful. The MSRP for Apex is like $700, and thats their lowest level groupo. Sora was like only$200 on ribble. SRAM vs. Shimano. Again. Im a commuter ....might ask about Campy soon =p |
Originally Posted by dalava
(Post 11394749)
On a related note, does anyone know if:
- Shimano brakeset will work or work well with SRAM brifters? - And for brake performance, SRAM or Shimano (assuming apple to apple comparion in price, e.g. Force vs Ultegra)? |
Originally Posted by MooCow
(Post 11393612)
What Yaniel said. How is that relevant?
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Originally Posted by phops
(Post 11395337)
The OP is asking about low tier gruppos and you start talking about Force, Ultegra, and Dura-ace which are 2-4 times the price of what he is considering.
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You've already spent 10 times more time than you should have thinking about this.
if you can't make a purchasing decision, maybe you shouldn't be piecing a bike together by yourself. |
Shimano is Jif Creamy and SRAM is Jif Extra Crunchy.
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The majors are all great. I personally ride SRAM (Red at $1100 pre TdF 09 sweep). For my second choice, I would like to try 11-speed Campy or Shimzo DA Di2. You can't go wrong with any of these. Shimzo mech, you have to push your brake levers to go to bigger gear, I'm not interested. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but I like shifting with shifters, not brake levers. it's a personal thing. I grew up with Campy REcord down-tube friction shifters. At the time, early 60s, production overseen by Tulio, they were waay better then anything else out there. Unfortunately he died. He was a genius. I've ridden a lot of Shimzo stuff, used their fishing reels, spinning and blue-water fishing. They make very good stuff.
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Originally Posted by MooCow
(Post 11391198)
It's 2010, came with the 2010 Cervelo S1.
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Originally Posted by foresthill
(Post 11396247)
Note that Force and Rival do take a little more throw in the front shifter than red, but it shouldn't be anything like what you're describing.
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after 4 years of Ultegra it took me 15 miles to figure out and love the shifting of SRAM RED levers. later.
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Originally Posted by foresthill
(Post 11390879)
What year force is it? From your description, it sounds like it might be the original stuff. They fixed the things you're talking about in the 2009 rev, I believe.
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Originally Posted by MooCow
(Post 11389269)
I have heard an attempt to compare SRAM Force to DA, which I find laughable. I have SRAM Force, because it came on an aluminum backup/beater I got. I like it well enough for that purpose but much prefer even older Dura-Ace or current Ultegra. The SRAM takes SO much force to shift in the one direction to both shift and pre-load the spring for the shift in the opposite direction. Also, that shift/preload action has poor tactile feedback in terms of letting you know if you pushed far enough to shift or just enough to negate the shift in the other direction. Try it and you will see what I mean. This applies to both front/rear left/right shifters. Different is NOT always better. The construction and precision of SRAM seems solid; I wish they would apply the same level of construction to a conventional style indexing more like Shimano.
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Just glanced back at this thread, been awhile since I visited it. OK - it's worth looking into to see if there's something jacked. I will have to visit the dealer and do a comparison and maybe have a closer look at the cables and mechanism. But my friend has Red and when I tried it briefly it felt about the same in terms of tension. I mean, yeah, I can shift just fine, it just takes 2x to 3x more force to shift it in one direction, and the 7800 is buttery smooth. Whoever wrote above that DA is creamy and SRAM is chunky said it best.
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I'm a recent convert to SRAM, but don't share the same concern/experience of increased resistance when shifting. To be honest, I think it's easier to shift, primarily when in the drops. I'm sure cabling issues would effect friction, but that would probably be true for both shimano and sram.
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Originally Posted by Yaniel
(Post 11396461)
does the zero loss on the front for red reduce the throw even more compared to zero loss on rival and force?
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Originally Posted by CPcyclist
(Post 11397251)
You also don't need/shouldn't set the limits on the front derailleur.
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Originally Posted by CPcyclist
(Post 11397251)
You also don't need/shouldn't set the limits on the front derailleur.
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Originally Posted by CPcyclist
(Post 11397251)
You also don't need/shouldn't set the limits on the front derailleur.
Please explain. |
SRAM hard? In this age of almost no more manual transmission, we have all become wusses. I have a 4 on the floor old Ford. Everything else is easy to shift after driving that one
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