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echappist 09-06-10 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by I_Like_Bike (Post 11416928)
I think that, the Vector by MetriGear, priced at 699.99 would be a hot seller. I really think that 700 is the sweet spot for power meters because it is right at the price where using the money to get another bike or new wheels seems impractical. At 700 it will sell in droves.

Oh, but this Look thing is doomed to fail.

look at their blog & twitter & see how they are holding up. the used to put up 2-3 blog entries per month, and even more tweets on their twitter page. now look at them, the last few tweets are from Aug 20, June 18th, May 31st, and May 4th, and the last blog is from June 18th. chances are, they are running low on seed money

echappist 09-06-10 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by logdrum (Post 11416937)
I did not know about the calibration can only be done by Quarq, that seems silly. Why not connect the quarq to a USB and have them calibrate it remotely. This is on the top of my wish list, a Quarq PM. If I told my kids to stop going to gymnastics for a couple of months.....

i think someone in the 33 has actually calibrated his quarq using an elaborate but not too difficult procedure. check the PM debate that went on in late May & you might find the instructions.

as for cost, i have seen quarqs go on sale on ebay for $1300. not common, but they do happen

umd 09-06-10 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by mcjimbosandwich (Post 11417068)
i think someone in the 33 has actually calibrated his quarq using an elaborate but not too difficult procedure. check the PM debate that went on in late May & you might find the instructions.

as for cost, i have seen quarqs go on sale on ebay for $1300. not common, but they do happen

You can calibrate the quarq using quarqd. It's not just very user friendly at the moment.

Urthwhyte 09-06-10 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by umd (Post 11417072)
You can calibrate the quarq using quarqd. It's not just very user friendly at the moment.

My view is totally skewed by confirmation bias, but the number of cyclists I know with power meters almost wholly overlaps with the number of people I know that would see the d at the end of quarq and immediately start thinking ./configure; make; make install

VT Biker 09-06-10 12:15 PM

Yeah- I had high hoped for Metrigear as well. I think they are probably trying to sell the technology to another Company, as they need more time and money to get these power meters working. I have a feeling the Eurobike show was more an attempt to entice investors, versus trying to entice consumers at that point.

I_Like_Bike 09-06-10 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by mcjimbosandwich (Post 11417058)
look at their blog & twitter & see how they are holding up. the used to put up 2-3 blog entries per month, and even more tweets on their twitter page. now look at them, the last few tweets are from Aug 20, June 18th, May 31st, and May 4th, and the last blog is from June 18th. chances are, they are running low on seed money


Originally Posted by VT Biker (Post 11417718)
Yeah- I had high hoped for Metrigear as well. I think they are probably trying to sell the technology to another Company, as they need more time and money to get these power meters working. I have a feeling the Eurobike show was more an attempt to entice investors, versus trying to entice consumers at that point.


I hope this is not true. I would love more competition in the power meter market. I feel like they charge such high prices because they know that customers have little alternatives.

I guess for now I will have to keep saving for a Quarq.

echappist 09-06-10 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by I_Like_Bike (Post 11417826)
I hope this is not true. I would love more competition in the power meter market. I feel like they charge such high prices because they know that customers have little alternatives.

I guess for now I will have to keep saving for a Quarq.

i hear you. i really want metrigear to succeed as well, but looks like they are going through a rough period. a ptap really aint that bad. our resident wheelbuilder can get you a kinlin 30 laced to ptap pro+ hub at a very attractive price, and this hub is only 40g heavier than the top of the line ptap hub. and besides, if a ptap is good enough for Cuddles, i think it'll be good enough for the rest of us

Urthwhyte 09-06-10 01:39 PM

I hate to admit it, but Pcad was right. Metrigear is vaporware at this point.

patentcad 09-06-10 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by Urthwhyte (Post 11418053)
I hate to admit it, but Pcad was right. Metrigear is vaporware at this point.

It always was vaporware. Good grief you guys can be awfully dense.

eco 09-06-10 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 11418126)
It always was vaporware. Good grief you guys can be awfully dense.

Whatever. I imagine you'll next try and tell me that my pre-order of duke nukem forever is vaporware too?!

patentcad 09-06-10 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by eco (Post 11418184)
Whatever. I imagine you'll next try and tell me that my pre-order of duke nukem forever is vaporware too?!

I don't even know what the eff duke nukem is, and happily, I could give a fark.

P.S. Any product, announced by any company, is friggin utter, complete total VAPORWARE until it is in your hot little idiot hands. Get a grip on this basic fact, or suffer the consequences in the future. Your move poindexter.

eco 09-06-10 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 11418404)
I don't even know what the eff duke nukem is, and happily, I could give a fark.

P.S. Any product, announced by any company, is friggin utter, complete total VAPORWARE until it is in your hot little idiot hands. Get a grip on this basic fact, or suffer the consequences in the future. Your move poindexter.

Good job failing to realize I was agreeing with you.

Duke Nukem Forever is a game that has been "under development" for 13 years or so. It was ranked #1 in Wired's yearly vaporware awards some 5 or 6 times.

bostongarden 09-06-10 03:17 PM

Mr. Pcad sir, um, with respect to Duke Nukem (perhaps gamers' poster child of vaporware), I think you meant that you couldn't give a you know what.

rm -rf 09-06-10 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by umd (Post 11417072)
You can calibrate the quarq using quarqd. It's not just very user friendly at the moment.


Originally Posted by Urthwhyte (Post 11417089)
My view is totally skewed by confirmation bias, but the number of cyclists I know with power meters almost wholly overlaps with the number of people I know that would see the d at the end of quarq and immediately start thinking ./configure; make; make install


I was going to make a joke comment about running a server on your bike, but then found out that quarkd is actually built from source code. So, the ./configure ; make ; make install probably is correct.

from http://opensource.quarq.us/quarqd/
quarqd is a daemon for communicating with an Ant device and reading Ant+Sport data. Data is communicated over a network socket.

logdrum 09-06-10 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by rm -rf (Post 11418780)
I was going to make a joke comment about running a server on your bike, but then found out that quarkd is actually built from source code. So, the ./configure ; make ; make install probably is correct.

from http://opensource.quarq.us/quarqd/
quarqd is a daemon for communicating with an Ant device and reading Ant+Sport data. Data is communicated over a network socket.

Even better for me. This is the kind of work I do, embedded Linux, Symbian, Meego.

ElJamoquio 09-06-10 04:43 PM

Yeah, the weight penalty *might* only be 140 grams (if you're using Keo's cheapest pedal), and in reality the weight penalty will probably be more than a Ptap hub and it's three times the cost.

I had high hopes for metrigear, but I'm glad I got my Quarq.

Urthwhyte 09-07-10 04:14 AM


Originally Posted by logdrum (Post 11418794)
This is the kind of work I do, embedded Linux, Symbian, Meego.

Must not be much work then ;)

patentcad 09-07-10 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by eco (Post 11418506)
Good job failing to realize I was agreeing with you.

Oblivion is my speciality.

merlinextraligh 09-07-10 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by mcjimbosandwich (Post 11417058)
look at their blog & twitter & see how they are holding up. the used to put up 2-3 blog entries per month, and even more tweets on their twitter page. now look at them, the last few tweets are from Aug 20, June 18th, May 31st, and May 4th, and the last blog is from June 18th. chances are, they are running low on seed money

Ever since they announced that it wasn't going to be speedplay based, it appeared they were doomed. I think the speedplay folks determined Metrigear wasn't commercially viable.

I think its likely Metrigear already sold, or licensed, anything they had in the way of trade secrets or patentable ideas to Look Polar, and they're done.

Urthwhyte 09-07-10 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh (Post 11421428)
Ever since they announced that it wasn't going to be speedplay based, it appeared they were doomed. I think the speedplay folks determined Metrigear wasn't commercially viable.

I think its likely Metrigear already sold, or licensed, anything they had in the way of trade secrets or patentable ideas to Look Polar, and they're done.

Look/Polar would actually have a decent, if expensive, product if they had stuck with ANT+. Unless Polar has a brand new and very nice head unit, it's DOA

waterrockets 09-07-10 07:40 AM

Agree with overpriced, and way under-compatible. Not having ANT+ is ridiculous, but of course Look wouldn't need Polar at all if they went ANT+.

I have a hard time understanding how they could make these things this heavy though. I guess they may be using depleted uranium to protect against pedal strikes in corners. That stuff is pretty dense.

Regarding pedal strikes: I hit my pedals 4 times in the crits this weekend. No crashes (never have from a strike). My pedals have always been machined by the road to a flat surface that's coincident with my lean angle.

Pole-vaulting off my power meter once/crit is somewhat unattractive to me... and that goes for crank-based as well, but to a lesser extent.

Urthwhyte 09-07-10 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by waterrockets (Post 11421514)
Regarding pedal strikes: I hit my pedals 4 times in the crits this weekend. No crashes (never have from a strike). My pedals have always been machined by the road to a flat surface that's coincident with my lean angle.

Pole-vaulting off my power meter once/crit is somewhat unattractive to me... and that goes for crank-based as well, but to a lesser extent.

I can only assume that they located the actual measury bits as far inboard as possible; if you look at a Look pedal, there's not much room in the actual body.

Phantoj 09-07-10 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by eco (Post 11418506)
Good job failing to realize I was agreeing with you.

Duke Nukem Forever is a game that has been "under development" for 13 years or so. It was ranked #1 in Wired's yearly vaporware awards some 5 or 6 times.

"DNF" has been the news a lot recently -- apparently it is supposed to be available next year? I'm not a gamer, but I expect it won't live up to the hype.

Urthwhyte 09-07-10 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by Phantoj (Post 11421556)
"DNF" has been the news a lot recently -- apparently it is supposed to be available next year? I'm not a gamer, but I expect it won't live up to the hype.

Being developed by Gearbox for release in 2011.

merlinextraligh 09-07-10 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by Urthwhyte (Post 11416392)
I'm surprised this is getting more press than the new crank based Power2Max, which would bring crank based nearly down to the cost of a PT. Just like with the Metrigear Product, it has yet to make it to market, but they say they're just waiting on vendors before they move to full scale production

At the end of that article it says neither Metrigear or Brim Brothers are listed as Exhibitors at Interbike. I think that pretty much tells you both of them are done, or at least circling the drain.

Power2max would be nice at $890.


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