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the sci guy 05-16-22 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir (Post 22508594)
Thank you for the detailed explanation. Do you have the reach and stack numbers for your frame?

OK. My preference is for a threadless steerer and headset, so I may have to keep looking.

That was my assumption as well given that the paint looks pretty good for a bike old enough to have a quill stem. I suppose a decent automotive body shop can do a good job painting an aluminum bike frame?

Yes, no way to ascertain without the original paint scheme and R1000 decal. The bike does not have a FD, so it is certainly possible that the current drivetrain is not original.

Yeah I searched for almost 2 1/2 years for my 2000 R1000 - both the model year, colorway, and frame size. I'm short so finding a 52 is hard.
I had found a 1999 R1000 that I didn't want to pay the asking price for & regretted passing on it for almost a year straight - but then I found the frame I really wanted and I don't regret it anymore obviously lol

I did buy an 1999 R300 the year before, rebuild it with flat bars, then swapped for drops again to sell it - I made it a 1x8 as well.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...07b6b3bdaf.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ee517da9a3.jpg

You can find the geometry of the 2000 models here: 2000.pdf (https://vintagecannondale.com/year/2...cannondale.com) (page 62, 2nd box down)
It's not the best scan so the numbers are a little hard to read.

SoSmellyAir 05-16-22 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by the sci guy (Post 22508852)

Nice!


Originally Posted by the sci guy (Post 22508852)
You can find the geometry of the 2000 models here: 2000.pdf (https://vintagecannondale.com/year/2...cannondale.com) (page 62, 2nd box down)
It's not the best scan so the numbers are a little hard to read.

I guess this is before the industry invented reach and stack? How do I compare this to my current bike, even if I can make out the numbers?

the sci guy 05-16-22 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir (Post 22509096)
I guess this is before the industry invented reach and stack? How do I compare this to my current bike, even if I can make out the numbers?

Yeah I think sizing was a little more loosey-goosey back then - bike fitting has probably become a lot more technical these days. I think the best you can do is look at the top tube & seat tube lengths and make the best guestimate - espeically if you know about what size you should be.
I was riding a 52 Specialized Roubaix (2016), and the numbers were similar enough to the size 52 on the R1000. I think I probably should have a 50 for the R1000, but the odds of me finding one still in existence is near zero, so I'll make a 52 fit, like I did with the R300.

mstateglfr 05-17-22 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir (Post 22508594)
Thank you for the detailed explanation. Do you have the reach and stack numbers for your frame?
OK. My preference is for a threadless steerer and headset, so I may have to keep looking.

As mentioned, stack and reach were not measurements at the turn of the century. Heck they really werent even common 10 years ago. Even 5 years ago those measurements were not included on some bike sites.

If you want a threadless steerer, then buy an innicycle headset. It was created and is sold by a forum member and is an excellent bit of engineering. The quality is super high, just as nice as any headset you can buy, and it converts the bike to effectively run a threadless stem. It looks clean and integrated, so it doesnt make it look like some kludged together hack.

SoSmellyAir 05-17-22 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by mstateglfr (Post 22509578)
As mentioned, stack and reach were not measurements at the turn of the century. Heck they really werent even common 10 years ago. Even 5 years ago those measurements were not included on some bike sites.

They are still not included on sites selling cheap bikes. I resumed cycling in 2016 after a quarter century hiatus, so I had got used to looking at stack, reach, and effective top tube.


Originally Posted by mstateglfr (Post 22509578)
If you want a threadless steerer, then buy an innicycle headset. It was created and is sold by a forum member and is an excellent bit of engineering. The quality is super high, just as nice as any headset you can buy, and it converts the bike to effectively run a threadless stem. It looks clean and integrated, so it doesnt make it look like some kludged together hack.

Thanks, let me further research this if I cannot find a later model.

SoSmellyAir 05-17-22 11:35 AM

OK, I pulled the trigger on this one:

2000 R4000 Cannondale Complete Frameset 54cm | eBay

So now just hoping for the best. So excited!

Does R4000 means it is 4 times better than R1000? ;)

aliasfox 05-18-22 11:18 AM

Last summer's pandemic project. Wanted to build up a bike from scratch, and ended up with this.
NOS 2016 CAAD8 frame
SRAM Force shifters and derailleurs, 11-28 cassette
SRAM Force AXS rim brakes
Praxis Zayante S 48-32 carbon crank
Campagnolo Zonda wheels
Fizik R1 Bull carbon handlebars, R3 stem, USE Seatpost, and Selle Italia Flite saddle
Amazon carbon bottle cages, Look X-Track SPD

With Michelin Endurance Pro4 tires, she's almost 18lbs on the dot, which is more than 2.5lbs less than her Lynskey stablemate (Ultegra with discs, fwiw).

Finished her last September, just in time for the weather to start turning nippy, so put her on the trainer in the basement, and only took her outside a few weeks ago. Second ride of the season and I make a PR around Central Park. Not bad, not bad.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c548cf18d9.jpg

the sci guy 05-18-22 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir (Post 22509842)
OK, I pulled the trigger on this one:

2000 R4000 Cannondale Complete Frameset 54cm | eBay

So now just hoping for the best. So excited!

Does R4000 means it is 4 times better than R1000? ;)

Amazing! Comes with the Thomson seatpost too. And $75 less than I paid for mine!! (though mine was a full bike I guess). Gotta love that color scheme too. Congrats on that mega score.

Welshboy 05-18-22 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by aliasfox (Post 22511144)
Last summer's pandemic project. Wanted to build up a bike from scratch, and ended up with this.
NOS 2016 CAAD8 frame...

Lovely. I take it that it's a BB30 frame?

aliasfox 05-18-22 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by Welshboy (Post 22511386)
Lovely. I take it that it's a BB30 frame?

Nope, BSA68, actually. I had to do some double checking across the internets to confirm that the seller was indeed correct before I pulled the trigger. Apparently, disc frames of that era were BB30, but the entry level rim brake frames were BSA. I believe this color scheme was originally a Sora equipped frame, so can't get much more entry level within C'dale's lineup. Still, the frame came in at under 3lbs, so not complaining there!

SoSmellyAir 05-18-22 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by the sci guy (Post 22511357)
Amazing!

Thank you! Your CAAD4 project bike inspired me to start one too. I hope (and need) to get a few pointers from you.

And thank you for linking the old catalog. I compared the [a] Horizontal Top Tube Length, [b] Standover at Top Tube Midpoint, [c] Seat Tube Angle, and [d] Bottom Bracket Height for the CAAD4 against those of my current Cannondale Synapse carbon to confirm that size 54 should fit me. The first number is 9 mm higher, so only a slightly increased risk to the family jewels in case of abrupt dismounts.


Originally Posted by the sci guy (Post 22511357)
Comes with the Thomson seatpost too.

Is that a super duper seat post? I am not sure if I can even use it because of the kink. The CAAD4 has a much longer seat tube than my current bike, so I expect to have much less exposed seat post.


Originally Posted by the sci guy (Post 22511357)
And $75 less than I paid for mine!! (though mine was a full bike I guess). Gotta love that color scheme too. Congrats on that mega score.

At least I did not have to search for 2.5 years! It was posted on 5/16/2022 and garnered a bit of interest overnight so I had to make a relatively quick decision. It was shipped today and I hope that it looks as clean as yours.

the sci guy 05-18-22 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir (Post 22511567)
Thank you! Your CAAD4 project bike inspired me to start one too. I hope (and need) to get a few pointers from you.

And thank you for linking the old catalog. I compared the [a] Horizontal Top Tube Length, Standover at Top Tube Midpoint, [c] Seat Tube Angle, and [d] Bottom Bracket Height for the CAAD4 against those of my current Cannondale Synapse carbon to confirm that size 54 should fit me. The first number is 9 mm higher, so only a slightly increased risk to the family jewels in case of abrupt dismounts.

Is that a super duper seat post? I am not sure if I can even use it because of the kink. The CAAD4 has a much longer seat tube than my current bike, so I expect to have much less exposed seat post.

At least I did not have to search for 2.5 years! It was posted on 5/16/2022 and garnered a bit of interest overnight so I had to make a relatively quick decision. It was shipped today and I hope that it looks as clean as yours.

Yes, Thomson seatposts are muy bueno. The reason I searched for this era of CAAD frames is because of the horizontal top tubes - I love that classic geometry and frame aesthetic. I'm not a fan of sloping top tubes. Plus it has the usual round tubing, and just lovely colorways. Because of this, unless you're long-legged, you will have less seatpost exposed. If you look at how much I had showing on the pic I posted of my R300, you'll see it's not a lot. In fact, the old seat posts were very short in length, as compared to today's which are sometimes 300mm or more. Of course they say more seatpost = more compliance because more post to absorb shocks, but whatever.

I actually just put mine in - and yes I pushed it in quite a ways. I originally had it for a 2016 Spec Roubaix, which did have a slopier tube and more post exposed, but that frame cracked so that bike is gone, and since this will be my new road bike, i'm using it here. I bought the setback version for the Roubaix, hopefully it doesn't cause a reach issue here. If so, I'll sell it and buy a straight one I guess.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...40b146830b.jpg

Phatman 05-20-22 07:37 AM

Man, so I’m realizing that I never posted any pics of my old CAADs from back in the day.

First up is my CAAD8–I loved this thing. I won my first race on it and had it for 8 years, from 2006 to 2014 before it cracked. Such a great handling bike. Cannondale warrantied it too, which was awesome.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5706ce0fa.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ee9cef814.jpeg

Next up is my CAAD10–I never really bonded with this bike for some reason. The geometry was identical on paper to my CAAD8, but it always felt too big. I played with endless combinations of stems, saddles and seat posts, but I never really got it right and sold it a couple years after.

In hindsight, I think the issue was that my riding style changed a lot shortly after I got the warranty CAAD10, my job really switched into high gear and I was riding more for stress relief than to train, so the long top tube combined with a 120mm stem was not as welcomed. With a shorter stem, the front wheel felt waaay out in front of me.

I also tried shorter cranks when I went to the CAAD10, and they messed up the fit more than I thought it would. I should’ve stuck with the 175s I’d been riding since 2002. Ah well 20/20 hindsight.

Maybe I’ll get another CAAD10 some day.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3aeffce35.jpeg

SoSmellyAir 05-22-22 07:20 PM

With the arrival of my CAAD4 R4000, I have now officially joined The Cult of CAAD.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7a59b5fdca.jpg

the sci guy 05-23-22 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir (Post 22515930)
With the arrival of my CAAD4 R4000, I have now officially joined The Cult of CAAD.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7a59b5fdca.jpg

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dc0384b62b.gif

Leinster 07-12-22 10:44 PM

Video from Le Tour the other day.
My question is, what's she riding? Is it a CAAD? The round tubes, decals and paintjob look like my CAAD10 or a Synapse from that era, but does she have some disc brake after-kit?

Either way, she's flippin awesome.

mstateglfr 07-13-22 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Leinster (Post 22572880)
My question is, what's she riding? Is it a CAAD? The round tubes, decals and paintjob look like my CAAD10 or a Synapse from that era, but does she have some disc brake after-kit?
Either way, she's flippin awesome.

Looks like a 2015 CAADX to me.

Hmmm 01-31-23 04:52 PM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...daa9c1dcb1.jpg
New to me CAAD10, I upgraded the wheels, cockpit and seatpost. So happy to have a CAAD10 again.

Leinster 02-03-23 02:15 AM

Love the extra silver touches.

the sci guy 02-18-23 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by Hmmm (Post 22786663)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...daa9c1dcb1.jpg
New to me CAAD10, I upgraded the wheels, cockpit and seatpost. So happy to have a CAAD10 again.

that is a sleek sexy machine. love the colors. what's the brifters?

tFUnK 02-19-23 12:49 AM

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...73e24d47a0.jpg
Does it still count as a CAAD if a couple of the tubes are different?
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georges1 10-23-23 01:58 PM

My Caad4 frame that I bought some days ago because of the quality of the tubing and the finish welds were outstanding
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a31ce703_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...db96b014_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...742e1ec8_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3f602234_b.jpg

Sierra_rider 10-24-23 09:05 AM

My CAAD5 in Saeco colors. Full Dura ace and 17.5 lbs.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8ba27da362.jpg

mstateglfr 10-24-23 09:45 AM

Didnt realize I hadnt added this to the thread-
CAAD3 frame that I stripped and painted, along with an added carbon fork. 2x11 Ultegra shifting and brakes. Inexpensive wheels that work fine.
Fun winter project and good results.



https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8a7e60a6c2.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b35cf3999e.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...36babd1b6b.jpg

t2p 10-24-23 09:51 AM

in addition to cult of caad - there is the cult of personality


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