Why not just make doping legal, so the playing field can be level.

(Slightly sarcastic...but I can't see any other way of leveling the playing field.)

You got diamonds on the soles of your shoes there, boy.

The illegality has not stopped it from being used, which is why it is "spilling over". Letting it go unchecked is still of no consequence.

Unless we're talking about degrees now. Trying to minimizing damage.

it's, uh, against the law? and legal to what level? Might as well start getting the jr high schoolers on the program.

It would be amusing if it were entirely unregulated...

Bunch of 225LB dudes riding up mountains still putting out 8w/kg - and one or two would die from an overdose on every tour...

You want to win.

It's the pro helmet argument from a while back. If they can't all agree to not do it then they'll all do it because if they don't the other guy will and he'll have an advantage. Seems like it's sort of a game theory thing.

You have to admire the 60+ year tradition of doping in competitive cycling though. That's impressive. I mean, cyclists appear to have invented doping in sport.

That's not stopping people now.

I think he just doesn't understand why they do it. I don't think he was saying he doesn't believe they are. He probably assumes the tests work better than they do and that GC contendors get more tests.

Sorry, did you hit your head? The UCI or any other cycling agency can not create a rule that circumvents the law. That point aside so who gets to dope? Tour riders? Fine. Of course they spend most of the year racing against guys who don't go to the tour so of course they'll all dope too. Domestic pros? Sure they want to go to the show so they'll dope. Cat 1s as well since they want to be domestic pros they'll need to dope. 2s who want to be 1s....

And FWIW it seems to have stopped Contador and Chodroff and Kenny Williams and Floyd Landis....

And another thing. You know what IS of consequences? The rest of the damn sporting world thinking cycling is "the dopers sport", as if it were the only one.

I agree with you there. Doping is in every single sport, both major and minor.

I can assure you that my head is fine (or maybe not - I pulled an all night for my physics test). My point was strictly theoretical. I by no means condone doping in any form. My point was, that the problem of doping seems to exist without solution. Even with sensitive drug tests, athletes continue to use performance enhancing drugs. Thus, having "everyone" do it would neutralize the field.

I get what you're saying. I simply being cynical.

It all stops with pcad though. He afraid of needles.

And no, the law CAUGHT them. It didn't stop anything

But continued public awareness does deter some people, especially kids. If testing and banning pros prevent one 16 or 17 year old from taking PEDs, then it is worth it.

I think I could get over it though. Then I could go to Prospect Park and ride in the breakaways. Oh boy.

Now if I train and train and get really really fit and get in the break they'll all think I'm doping.









I don't think I'll lose a lot of sleep over this however.

wait that means you are doping *now* and not training, right? :D

pcad dope's to reduce his abilities, just to make it more interesting.

I'm peaking. I timed it that way with help from my oral surgeon.





Those dental guys are idiots. Friggin Rockland County. God help me. When I get dental implants I'm going to Bergen. Friggin upstate quack dbags. Nice looking offices though.

I should have been an oral surgeon instead of a physician. Those guys make like 3 times what I do. Must be nice.

The penalty needs to change and give incentives.

If you are caught and deny, and lose your case, then banned for life.
If you admit to the use, and cooperate to show what and how you did it, then a one year ban.

However, there also needs to be studies done with some chemicals to prove they provide benefit, so that not everything is a positive for just any quantity.

That's odd, that's what the oral surgeons say about physicians. The grass is always greener.

There are reports of cyclists doping that date to the 1880's, so really, it could be argued that this is how it was meant to be played.

Bit of a due process problem there.

Confess to a crime you didn't do, and you save your career.

Contest a questionable finding and lose, banned for life.


Let's throw her in the water, if she floats, she's a witch, and we burn her.

If she drowns at least we know she wasn't a witch.

I think that every race should have a clinic in a trailer where the "athletes" can get whatever fixes they want for free. It would make the poorer, less sophisticated ones more competitive, making the sport more exciting, especially if there is an occasional fatality. The richer riders could still practice in privacy to avoid any stigma and keep their endorsements, and maybe it would spawn a really big competition to create the best cocktails, benefiting high school and college footballers.

I heard about this latest problem first thing this morning listening to ESPN when host Colin Cowherd buzzed through the story with French accordion music playing in the background, talking in a faux French accent, while lampooning bike racing and roadies in general - "Haw haw, look at me with my shaved legs and spandex..." He couldn't have been more ignorant and dismissive. That expected slam aside, the first thing I thought of was the hypocrisy on display considering the level of doping throughout pro sports.

Like we need another reason for cagers to hate us. Time to send him an email I guess. Should I bother?

Cue SNL All Drug Olympics:

Dennis Miller: In response to what its sponsors claim is an idea whose time has come, the first All-Drug Olympics opened today in Bogota, Columbia. Athletes are allowed to take any substance whatsoever before, after, and even during the competition. So far, 115 world records have been shattered! We go now to correspondent Kevin Nealon, live in Bogota for the Weightlifting Finals. Kevin?

Kevin Nealon: Dennis, getting ready to lift now is Sergei Akmudov of the Soviet Union. His trainer has told me that he's taken antibolic steroids, Novacaine, Nyquil, Darvon, and some sort of fish paralyzer. Also, I believe he's had a few cocktails within the last hour or so. All of this is, of course, perfectly legal at the All-Drug Olympics, in fact it's encouraged. Akmudov is getting set now, he's going for a cleaning jerk of over 1500 pounds, which would triple the existing world record. That's an awful lot of weight, Dennis, and here he goes.

[ Kevin steps aside to reveal the steroid-bulked athlete bent over to lift the 1500 lbs. weight. Sergei tightens his grip on the barbells and pulls up, but instead of lifting the weights, his arms are pulled off and blood squirts ferociously out of his pulpy stubs.

Kevin Nealon: Oh! He pulled his arms off! He's pulled his arms off, that's gotta be disappointing to the big Russian! [ Sergei's trainer wraps a towel around him ] You know, you hate to see something like this happen, Dennis! He probably doesn't have that much pain right now, but I think tomorrow he's really gonna feel that, Dennis! Back to you!

Huh? The only tearing apart happening is that the reality is surfacing. This is nothing new, the testing is new. That's all.

Cowturd is an ignorant buffoon. His ignorance is not limited to cycling, and his whole shtick is just to be inflammatory.

I wou'dn't waste the bandwidth.

Well, I do have a cache of Adderall at my house - but I have a legitimate 'script for the stuff, not that I take it when I ride - my chest/heart feels "tight" if I ride up the hill to my house after school, which is when I take the stuff.