I'm ready for a new bike but undesided about grupos..I've had DA 7800 and I was pleased but I would like to get some opinions and ideas... thanks

They both are great...I had 7800 and now have Red on one bike and 2010 Force on another. I can tell zero difference between the Red and force. Between Shimano and Sram I just thinks it personal preference. Shimano smooth and quiet. Sram sharp click and destinctive shifting.

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For once I'd have to agree. It really is as simple as that. I took the leap last year and made the leap back.

Blaspheming 41 scum that you all are.

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Dura Ace Rules!

Yep. The wife and I just got SRAM Red and Force bikes here after many years of Shimano just to do something different and that sums it up. Double-tap works fine and only took a couple of rides to get used to. Going back and forth between conventional and double-tap takes a bit of concentration when starting out on a ride but other than that presents no difficulties. We both like them both.

What is double tap?

Double tap = click one, shift down - use same motion, but take the sweep a little further and it clicks twice and upshifts. Works brilliantly, IMHO.

This. I was helping at the cross race my club hosts and after the races were done I borrowed my friends bike with ultegra. Going up a mud-hill I was trying to downshift...with the upshift lever. Needless to say: panic set it and I ended up hopping off.

I have found the transition from Shimano to SRAM is much easier than vice versa. I'm often tempted to go back to Shimano because I love how smooth it is and the ergonomics of 6700, 7900 can't be beat IMO, but double tap shifting isn't something I can give up.

I'll switch my 7800 shifters to Red when they wear out...

Or maybe when I build up another bike.

More likely.

^^^ Yup.

Emphasis on a bit. I switch back and forth almost daily and it's never bothered me. But I have caught myself thinking "no, don't swing the brake lever on this bike."

I switched from 7800 to Sram and it was very easy. The hoods feel different and took a while to get used to, but the shifting is basically the same. Its just 1 verses 2 levers

Sram also allows you to pivot the shift lever towards the bars, so you can grip it on the drops and shift while you are sprinting out of the saddle on the drops.

They do advertise this as an advantage, but my main reason for liking the fact that the shift lever moves inward is that it is more forgiving of the occasional awkward hand movement - it's simple ergonomics. I've tried using it as described to shift while sprinting, but I've found that I actually prefer to leave the lever paddle in the normal place and hit it with my index finger if I need to upshift while shifting. Holding onto the lever makes it necessary, for me, anyway, to cock my wrist a bit to get it to shift. It's a difficult movement for me to make and control when sprinting out of the saddle. Reaching out with my index finger is a lot more natural and easier. YMMV, of course.

Heathen Freds, all of you.

For me, it all boils down to this...Dura Ace 7800:
Simple, proven, reliable, long lasting, worry-free and like that cheesy infomercial says; "just set it and forget it".
It does what it's supposed to do with no fanfare and it does it better than anybody else with no complaints.
Jump on, ride, shift, dismount, repeat.

Luddite.

When 7900 works out it's kinks and gets to 7800 perfection
(or 6700 for that matter ), then I'll jump on that bandwagon.

[BTW...Jets on their way to take Pitt's lunch next week.]

7900 has already worked out "it's kinks". If your 7900 group doesn't work properly, upgrade your mechanical skills or upgrade your mechanic.

Sram RED groupset is nearly half a pound lighter than 7900. Big ring stiffness and shifting is light years ahead of a red crank/red FD combo.

A) Thou assumeth too much.

B) All the chatter has been that it's harder to "git right" than 7800 and that 7800's rear der are preferred.
Of course, that's old news since last year. I'm assuming you're talking for 2011 (which just began...16 days ago?).

Not doubting your personal experience (if it "is" your personal experience).
I would love to know that 7900 is at 7800 level of dependability.
That'll make it much easier on me when I have a set installed on my next bike.


Sram red beats Sram red?