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Old 02-09-11, 01:35 AM
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A Wheelset Build Log (1268g clinchers for $400?) Photo Heavy.

This is going to be a build log of my 1268g (estimated) wheel-set, the budget is right around $400. I'm doing this to keep from going up the wall waiting for the rest of my parts to come in...be faster ups, faster.

Components, weights, cost.

Rims: IRD Cadence Road (20, 24) 390g, $50
Spokes: Spaim CX-Rays (44 count) 198g, $120
Nipples: Generic Brass (44 count) 17.6g, $15
Hubset: Taiwanese Generic F (20h) : 65g
6-pawl R (24h) : 208g $130

Totals................ 1268.6g / $365

I've got $35 to cover the incidentals like rim tape, lube, etc.

The hubs arrived on Friday, I'm rather impressed at the quality for the cost. I don't have much to say about them at the moment, they don't shoot lasers or sing me lullabies but from what I can tell, seem very high quality.

The 6-pawl system feels/ sounds a lot like the Chris King hub sets I've played around with. I look forward to winding them up and feeling like I'm being chased by a hornets nest. I'll be able to provide a more complete review once the wheel-set is built up.

Feel free to pm me for the seller I used for the hubs, he's a fellow BF'er and a very nice guy.

Now, finally, pictures!







Also pictured are some Ti QR's that I got through the same BF'er. 48g/pair. I'm excited to test these out more thoroughly. After a quick test ride with them, they were forgettable...exactly what I want in my skewers. Flip them and forget them.

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*Side note: The hubs came pre-slotted. That makes me a little nervous but, I'm just not a fan of slotted hubs. We'll have to wait and see if my initial unease means anything.They're warrantied for a few years, I believe. So, if a flange does crack, I will hopefully be covered.
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Have fun with the build. Can't wait to see them finished.
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Old 02-09-11, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by kvangundy View Post
This is going to be a build log of my 1268g (estimated) wheel-set, the budget is right around $400.
I like the numbers. Can't wait to see them. GL
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I've been looking at doing this myself. I have some Kinlin hoops in the garage that could build up pretty light with the right parts. Can I ask where you got the hubs?

edit: Just saw your note on the seller of the hubs. PM on its way.
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I assume you're light. That's a low spoke count for such a minimalist rim.
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I'm 200 pounds and ride 20/24 spoke Kinlins. No issues. The hoops I have in the garage are 24/28.
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What a cool wintertime project! Keep us posted with pics as you build. Not to be a knucklehead, but it seems like you paid a premium for your spokes. For my last wintertime project build, the spokes were what my LBS had in stock and worked fine.
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Very nice. I'll like to see how this turns out.
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Originally Posted by ravenmore View Post
I'm 200 pounds and ride 20/24 spoke Kinlins. No issues. The hoops I have in the garage are 24/28.
that doesn't seem right. im 120 lbs and i've had to trash a set 20/24 spoke kinlins after 6 months...
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Originally Posted by tenzing211 View Post
What a cool wintertime project! Keep us posted with pics as you build. Not to be a knucklehead, but it seems like you paid a premium for your spokes. For my last wintertime project build, the spokes were what my LBS had in stock and worked fine.
you should read up on Sapim CX Ray spokes. One of the best spokes around and worth the price.
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Originally Posted by Val23708 View Post
that doesn't seem right. im 120 lbs and i've had to trash a set 20/24 spoke kinlins after 6 months...


Taken this past weekend - more than a year on the wheels. I'm very hard on gear too.
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Well,

with only 6 pawls I am not sure you can compare the hubs to Chris King. The lighter R45 CK hubs have I believe 45 pawls, while the standard class hubs have 72. Your hubs likely will have a longer time period before engagement when accelerating or getting out of the saddle.

I know you get what you pay for, so I do wonder what sacrifice was made to get it to that light weight at that price. Labor costs are an issue - but also material quality and overall build quality of the hubs likely were sacrificed to get to that price.
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Originally Posted by ravenmore View Post


Taken this past weekend - more than a year on the wheels. I'm very hard on gear too.
ah. those are the deeper rims. i have the xr-200 rims which are really soft.
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Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
Well,

with only 6 pawls I am not sure you can compare the hubs to Chris King. The lighter R45 CK hubs have I believe 45 pawls, while the standard class hubs have 72. Your hubs likely will have a longer time period before engagement when accelerating or getting out of the saddle.
I think CK hubs have 72 engagement teeth. The number of pawls that engage the teeth is probably only 3-6.
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I've been thinking about a nearly identical wheel build. I've got it in my head to use Velocity A-23s though. Verrry interested to see how yours goes.
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Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
I know you get what you pay for, so I do wonder what sacrifice was made to get it to that light weight at that price. Labor costs are an issue - but also material quality and overall build quality of the hubs likely were sacrificed to get to that price.
Where do you get your information, or is this pure speculation?
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Originally Posted by ravenmore View Post


Taken this past weekend - more than a year on the wheels. I'm very hard on gear too.
this picture is quickly taking over the internet.
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Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
Well,

with only 6 pawls I am not sure you can compare the hubs to Chris King. The lighter R45 CK hubs have I believe 45 pawls, while the standard class hubs have 72. Your hubs likely will have a longer time period before engagement when accelerating or getting out of the saddle.

I know you get what you pay for, so I do wonder what sacrifice was made to get it to that light weight at that price. Labor costs are an issue - but also material quality and overall build quality of the hubs likely were sacrificed to get to that price.
You're correct that the CK's have a 72 tooth engagement, however, I was describing the actual engagement "ratchet" that is normally 3 "sprung teeth." CK's and my Taiwanese copies both have a 6 "spring toothed" ratchet mechanism. Hence that "6-pawl" description, I have not counted the teeth on my hub yet. I will probably do so when I build the wheel up, to make sure everything is properly greased.

The buzzing noise of the CK's is a coupling of the high pawl count and high tooth count which results in a sound frequency with a period much shorter than the standard hub, e.g., a mothing ****ing swarm of bees. I appologize if my comparison sounded specious and overly hopeful. I know CK's don't show up at your doorstep for $100.
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Originally Posted by Val23708 View Post
ah. those are the deeper rims. i have the xr-200 rims which are really soft.
The 390gram rims should be used with caution, especially with a 20/24 spoke count. If you didn't order the rims and spokes yet, I would seriously consider a 27mm Kinlin rim at least for the rear wheel.
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Originally Posted by lechat View Post
I assume you're light. That's a low spoke count for such a minimalist rim.
I'm no feather weight, I like to describe my riding style as "slam dancing."

Kidding aside, I'm a sprinter and 165 lbs. I'm not a delicate rider, no matter how much I pray for narrow shoulders. I chose the SAPIM CX-Rays and the IRD for their robustness at lower counts over the standard spokes or Kinlin's XR200/300. I've heard better things from Clydes about the IRD over the Kinlin in regard to its durability. I'll be sure to provide a full report as my use progresses with them. I've got high hopes for the SAPIMs, they're the "splurge" item on my build that I'm hoping brings it into a higher class of quality.
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Originally Posted by HMF View Post
this picture is quickly taking over the internet.
lol - yeah, it's been relevant in a few threads so I posted it quite a bit.
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I've always heard Kinlin are rebranded IRD (or vice versa). Is this not correct?
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Can't wait to see the final outcome. I am considering building up a similar set for a friend + am curious to see your outcome.
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Sounds about right. I have a set that's verified at 1375g, and I have 12 more spokes than you, 14 of them are heavier Competitions, and my hubs are about 20g heavier. I built them when I weighed 160 and I would not have been willing to risk it with a 20/24 spoke count. YMMV
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