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Adrianinkc 06-01-11 10:59 AM

Shimano pulls a SRAM.
 
http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/a...rst-look-30424

rankin116 06-01-11 11:20 AM

They did this with 6601. Nothing new.

halfspeed 06-01-11 03:15 PM

Campy has done this with Centaur too.

Kind of Blued 06-01-11 03:34 PM

Oooh. Ahhh.

If they'd make a 50-36-26 triple I'd crap my pants. Is it really that hard to do something new, interesting, and useful?

dmcdam 06-01-11 03:36 PM

And every automotive rim manufacturer has done the same thing

halfspeed 06-01-11 03:42 PM

They should do something really bold and anodize the whole groupset purple.

intence 06-01-11 04:14 PM

No surprise here, as 6600 Ultegra became available in 6601 Ice Grey.

creativepart 06-01-11 04:34 PM

It's not a big deal, but really, they are going to have to do a "black" set of everything they make -- and probably eventually a white group for each level, as well. As white will probably be the next big thing.

Sram, at least it seems to me, is really coming on SUPER strong and it looks like hard times for Shimano to compete. The Double-Tap and Exact Actuation shifting tell a good story and one that targets Shimano's main weaknesses. I'm going to guess that they'll find a way to leap frog Sram but I can hardly see how right now.

zigmeister 06-01-11 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by Kind of Blued (Post 12725429)
Oooh. Ahhh.

If they'd make a 50-36-26 triple I'd crap my pants. Is it really that hard to do something new, interesting, and useful?

Apparently. They dont even have a BB30 compatible crank.

NathanC 06-01-11 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by rankin116 (Post 12724016)
They did this with 6601. Nothing new.

At least 6601 had some weight savings...

therhodeo 06-01-11 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by Kind of Blued (Post 12725429)
Oooh. Ahhh.

If they'd make a 50-36-26 triple I'd crap my pants. Is it really that hard to do something new, interesting, and useful?

Are you trying to tow your car over mountain passes or do you enjoy turning 155 rpm?

Commodus 06-01-11 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by creativepart (Post 12725760)
It's not a big deal, but really, they are going to have to do a "black" set of everything they make -- and probably eventually a white group for each level, as well. As white will probably be the next big thing.

Sram, at least it seems to me, is really coming on SUPER strong and it looks like hard times for Shimano to compete. The Double-Tap and Exact Actuation shifting tell a good story and one that targets Shimano's main weaknesses. I'm going to guess that they'll find a way to leap frog Sram but I can hardly see how right now.

They actually made a white group a long time ago.

http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/...001_LS%29.html

So I guess Shimano invented this whole 'coloured groupset' thing.

pdxtex 06-01-11 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by halfspeed (Post 12725478)
They should do something really bold and anodize the whole groupset purple.

id by a purple groupset for real!!! or a blue one.

kabex 06-01-11 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by zigmeister (Post 12725925)
Apparently. They dont even have a BB30 compatible crank.

Because it's conflict of interest, apparently Shimano is invested in other, "better" BB patents.

achoo 06-01-11 08:03 PM

So, we can have "glossy gray" and "glossy gray"? Because I think the current 6700 could be called "glossy gray", too.

Or is it because the current color is "glossy grey"?

Beaker 06-01-11 08:58 PM

so in fact, this should be "Shimano pulls a Shimano"

robertkat 06-01-11 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by halfspeed (Post 12725478)
They should do something really bold and anodize the whole groupset purple.

You mean like the MTB race scene in the early 90's?

sqharaway 06-01-11 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by Kind of Blued (Post 12725429)
Oooh. Ahhh.

If they'd make a 50-36-26 triple I'd crap my pants. Is it really that hard to do something new, interesting, and useful?

Why don't you just try SRAM Apex compact crankset with a 12-32 cassette?

Kind of Blued 06-06-11 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by therhodeo (Post 12726205)
Are you trying to tow your car over mountain passes or do you enjoy turning 155 rpm?


Originally Posted by sqharaway (Post 12727261)
Why don't you just try SRAM Apex compact crankset with a 12-32 cassette?

Its more about being able to run a nice narrow cassette without the huge gaps of an 11-32, but still having low gears. An 11-21 becomes an 11-27, an 11-23 becomes an 11-30, an 11-25 becomes an 11-32, etc.

See? NOBODY GETS IT! :)

Drew Eckhardt 06-06-11 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by sqharaway (Post 12727261)
Why don't you just try SRAM Apex compact crankset with a 12-32 cassette?

Because those huge gaps in gearing feel bad and wouldn't let me do threshold rides on back to back days.

I rode 50-40-30x13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21 in the 8 speed era. Same low gear as 53-39x13-14-15-17-19-21-23-26 for the mountains but with nice spacing for the plains.

If I wanted a gear as low as 34x32 today it'd be in the form of 50-39-24x13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-26 10 speed or 46-36-24x12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25 with 11 cogs.

merlinextraligh 06-06-11 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by creativepart (Post 12725760)
As white will probably be the next big thing.

.

What is old is new again:

http://velonews.competitor.com/files...YlS1nsH_12.jpg

(Sante, basically Dura Ace with a white painted finish and a bit cheaper)

celticfrost 06-06-11 05:50 PM

"Glossy Gray"?

Muted Neon Lime must be next.


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