Ran a Brooks B17 for most of last year. Was very comfortable when on the hoods and at my normal cadence of around 65-70. But as I amped up the cadence and spent more time in the drops the saddle failed to do so well. One issue is having to run the saddle with the nose up to combat sliding forward all the time.

Have been trying a Swift but it's the same, have to run nose up to keep from sliding forward. I find the overall comfort of the Brooks to be better than any of the modern saddles I've tried but the sliding issue is a problem.

Tried a Bontrager Affinity RL for about a week or more and it's not cutting it. Had a really nice 100 mile ride yesterday except for the stinking pain from the saddle.

Has anyone found a "flatter" Brooks saddle that allows them to ride aggressively? I should note that my saddle to bar drop is not much more than 1 inch right now some I'm not going real aggresive there right now.

The Brooks Colt seems pretty flat in the pictures, has anyone had any experience with it?

Take a look at the swallow.

I cut a hole in mine. Got the idea here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/1575054...7614095230958/

I actually have an Imperial version of the B17 also with the cutout. It's just made of a thicker leather and never seemed to break in the same as my regular B17. For some reason it always gave me pain all the way down the back of my left leg.

there are a number of modern saddles to check out. you've only tried one. and if you are running any power through your slow cadence, you'll be wrecking your knees.

The B17 is more of a "touring" saddle, where you are setting more upright. I have a Swallow on my Look 585 -- I have about a 3 inch seat to bar drop and have the saddle almost level. My average cadence is around 90. Basically, If you like the comfort of Brooks, but ride more aggressively, the Swallow may be for you. Like all Brooks, its not the lighest, but your wallet will be, especially if you get the TI rails.

Sorry the original post was missing some info. I've tried well over a dozen modern saddles, the mentioned one is just the latest. I just always come back to the Brooks as they are the most comfortable I have found so far.

My candance now days is always averaging in the 80-90 mile range and it's been sense I started running those cadences that the B17 has been a problem.

Is adjusting the saddle nose-up causing you trouble? My Swift Ti is nose-up enough to look a little silly (or even painful) but it is very comfortable and I can ride 50-60 miles without any issues at all. I stop because my legs give out, not my ass.

Yeah, I like to get into the drops alot and it puts too much pressure on the "boys" then. All the Brooks I've tried curve up a bit in the back and cause the "sliding forward" sensation. Seems like a really flat saddle may solve this.

Another thing you could try is turning the saddle slightly to the left or right. I find myself most comfortable when the saddle nose is 1/8-1/4" left of the center line. That could be enough to move the pressure points for you.

The Brooks Swallow looks pretty flat but I haven't ridden one.

In this regard, the Swallow looks flat, but like all Brooks saddles, it is basically a hammock. The middle of the saddle flexes -- perhaps even more than a B17 since it has little support on the sides. Of course you can adjust the amount of flex by adjusting the tension.