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globecanvas 09-20-11 11:55 AM

the dreaded 2nd flat
 
First flat was 100 feet from the top of a 5-mile climb. I had been really going for it too. If I'd been a little closer to the top I'd have just run up to get the Strava honors :)

5 miles later, a second puncture in a different place, not a pinch flat. Straight up bad luck. I had to call in support ("hi honey...").

I'm not going to carry 2 tubes on 50 mile rides though. Even if I did, I think I would have been guaranteed a 3rd flat.

tessartype 09-20-11 12:00 PM

Long ride without support? 2 tubes. Consider heading home (or to a place where you can restock) after your first flat.

Unless I'm riding with others or in a biker-swarmed area, I always take two. Even if I'm with others - someone's always forgotten his...

milkbaby 09-20-11 12:03 PM

One tube and one patch kit can help avoid the walk/call of shame...

RT 09-20-11 12:03 PM

This is precisely why I carry at least two tubes. It has happened to me more than once.

Here's the peanut butter jar solution in another thread. It works.

cpjolicoeur 09-20-11 12:04 PM

bring a small patch kit

LowCel 09-20-11 12:10 PM

If that second tube weighs too much for you, you might consider a patch kit.

DScott 09-20-11 12:10 PM

2 tubes, patch kit, tire boot, Co2 and a mini-pump. IMO, it's selfish to make someone come and get you just because you're afraid of carrying a little extra weight.

I'm saving the phone calls for that trip home from the ER.

datlas 09-20-11 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by cpjolicoeur (Post 13253060)
bring a small patch kit

This.

No sympathy.

Consider it a life lesson.

TDRILL 09-20-11 12:20 PM

I can't understand why people don't bring patch kits. They weight essentially nothing. They are my first choice for a repair anyway, not a spare tube

runner pat 09-20-11 12:21 PM

5-6 tubes, 5 patch kits, 2 boots.
I ride a handcycle (delta trike) so my right rear tire is nearer the debris zone and I pick up more than my share of goatheads.

Record ride-5 flats in 28 miles.

RT 09-20-11 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by TDRILL (Post 13253158)
I can't understand why people don't bring patch kits. They weight essentially nothing. They are my first choice for a repair anyway, not a spare tube

Some of us suck at patching on the fly. For me, I wait until I get four or five and patch them while watching MNF. What sucks more than a second flat is a second flat because of patch fail.

Menel 09-20-11 12:26 PM

1st flat.
tube+co2

2nd+ flat.
Park preglued patch kit.
Lyzyne mini pump attached to water bottle brazeons.

gsteinb 09-20-11 12:27 PM

I have two tubes duct taped together with my levers and two CO2s. Fits nicely in my jersey pocket. I take it on all rides.

runner pat 09-20-11 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by TDRILL (Post 13253158)
I can't understand why people don't bring patch kits. They weight essentially nothing. They are my first choice for a repair anyway, not a spare tube

Often the hole is too small to see(especially with aging eyes) and it's faster to replace the tube and use the full sink method at home.

MegaTom 09-20-11 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by globecanvas (Post 13253019)
First flat was 100 feet from the top of a 5-mile climb. I had been really going for it too. If I'd been a little closer to the top I'd have just run up to get the Strava honors :)

5 miles later, a second puncture in a different place, not a pinch flat. Straight up bad luck. I had to call in support ("hi honey...").

I'm not going to carry 2 tubes on 50 mile rides though. Even if I did, I think I would have been guaranteed a 3rd flat.

Don't be dumb. When you can easily fit 2 tubes, 2 CO2s, tire levers and a multi-tool in a smallish saddle bag or jersey pocket, there's no reason not to have the extra backup.

globecanvas 09-20-11 12:33 PM

Carrying N tubes still leaves you at the mercy of the N+1 flat.

Point taken on the patch kit though.

eippo1 09-20-11 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by runner pat (Post 13253203)
Often the hole is too small to see(especially with aging eyes) and it's faster to replace the tube and use the full sink method at home.

So replace the tube for the first flat and then use the patches if you need to. An easy way to find the hole is to inflate the tube while out of the tire and listen for the air. If it's too loud, then pass the tube by your face (very sensitive skin) to detect the leak.

MegaTom 09-20-11 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by globecanvas (Post 13253235)
Carrying N tubes still leaves you at the mercy of the N+1 flat.

Point taken on the patch kit though.

More dumb talk. Even if you do get N+1 flats, you still get X more miles of riding before you have to pester the Mrs.

Seattle Forrest 09-20-11 12:43 PM

When I ride in the mountains, I take two tubes and at least three cartridges. Plus a patch kit I've never used. When I ride around town, though, I'm never far from a bus line, so a tube and a cartridge are plenty; the absolute worst is that I can get a ride without bothering the lady friend if I get two flats. Or just walk it to the nearest shops. Tubes aren't horribly bulky, but it can be hard to fit two in my kit.

datlas 09-20-11 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by RTDub (Post 13253183)
Some of us suck at patching on the fly. For me, I wait until I get four or five and patch them while watching MNF. What sucks more than a second flat is a second flat because of patch fail.

Two different situations.

Preglued patches in seat bag for n+1 flats.

"Real" patch kit at home for batch patching.

ColinL 09-20-11 12:58 PM

I have a Topeak micro blaster T pump that weighs 70g. It mounts alongside my lower bottle cage on drive side. At this weight I don't bother with an inflator and cartridges, but I will admit it's a no-frills pump.

Last weekend I installed Mr Tuffy Ultra Lite (Orange) tire liners in the hopes of using the pump a lot less frequently. Ideally, never. I can't tell they are installed from riding. (30g each, I think someone may be full of it if they did claim to notice.)

RT 09-20-11 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 13253378)
Two different situations.

Preglued patches in seat bag for n+1 flats.

"Real" patch kit at home for batch patching.

I do have some Slime Skabs which I completely forgot about.

banerjek 09-20-11 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by RTDub (Post 13253183)
Some of us suck at patching on the fly. For me, I wait until I get four or five and patch them while watching MNF. What sucks more than a second flat is a second flat because of patch fail.

When I use a patch, it's far more likely to be used to cover up a larger/rougher hole in the tire that could damage the tube than to serve as a replacement for a spare tube.

LowCel 09-20-11 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by globecanvas (Post 13253235)
Carrying N tubes still leaves you at the mercy of the N+1 flat.

Point taken on the patch kit though.

Really? That's your argument against carrying two tubes? I'll counter with carrying two tubes gives you double the chance of making it home if you flat.

ErichM 09-20-11 01:37 PM

I only carry one tube as well, but I have to pile on with everyone else and say you're nuts for not having a patch kit.


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