How to "group ride" by a pro's pro and friend.
12-02-13, 05:27 PM
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Good read
Where are these oldies coming from?
Where are these oldies coming from?
12-02-13, 05:29 PM
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Kinda reminds me of when I was in the service and we ran together as a company. A certain exhilaration comes with being in step, in formation, in cadence...Good stuff.
12-02-13, 06:53 PM
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Yeah, our rides usually continue on though, so we wait at the top. It's a bit chilly; sometimes I ride down and up again partway to keep warm.
12-02-13, 07:54 PM
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I don't mean the ride ends at the top of the climb. It keeps going as well. I mean we regroup at the bottom so no-one freezes on the way down.
12-02-13, 09:15 PM
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That's nice in theory, but I'm lazy and like taking the momentum of the downhill as far as I can. Aw, who am I kidding, anybody I would ride with would be waiting on me no matter what (fat and slow kind of goes hand in hand with that lazy bit).
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12-03-13, 01:32 AM
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Hey, fat and slow on the climb can get pretty fast on descents, with gravity helping.
12-03-13, 07:45 AM
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I am a bit confused. How can the twin pace line ride "tight against the curb" and there still be room for the inside lead rider to pull off further to his side? How close is "tight against the curb" if there is still room for the inside rider to pull out and drift back?
12-03-13, 07:52 AM
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Sorry, but I think you are mistaken. You are confusing plagiarism with copyright infringement. Citing your source will protect you from an accusation of plagiarism but not copyright infringement. If your republication of someone else's work disadvantages the original author in any way (financially, legally, etc.) you could be subject to a damage claim due to copyright infringement, citation or no citation. Normally, this doesn't apply to citations for scholarly or instructive purposes in media that have no financial value like in a dissertation, or even here on a forum, but does apply to anything remotely commercial such as selling reprints of an article or avoiding paying the fees for copies of an article that are offered for sale.
12-03-13, 08:08 AM
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I am a bit confused. How can the twin pace line ride "tight against the curb" and there still be room for the inside lead rider to pull off further to his side? How close is "tight against the curb" if there is still room for the inside rider to pull out and drift back?
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12-03-13, 08:23 AM
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Sorry, but I think you are mistaken. You are confusing plagiarism with copyright infringement. Citing your source will protect you from an accusation of plagiarism but not copyright infringement. If your republication of someone else's work disadvantages the original author in any way (financially, legally, etc.) you could be subject to a damage claim due to copyright infringement, citation or no citation. Normally, this doesn't apply to citations for scholarly or instructive purposes in media that have no financial value like in a dissertation, or even here on a forum, but does apply to anything remotely commercial such as selling reprints of an article or avoiding paying the fees for copies of an article that are offered for sale.
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12-03-13, 10:53 AM
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12-03-13, 12:52 PM
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12-03-13, 02:24 PM
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I think proving this would be difficult. Unless there is case law supporting your view, I would assume the context of the thread and the resulting discussion would be enough of a content transformation to constitute fair use.
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12-03-13, 02:25 PM
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Also, you know, the other guys in line aren't going to just slam into the guy coming back. They'll get around him.
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Even if you couldn't establish fair use, as a practical matter, the worst that's going to happen is you get a cease and desist letter. Comply with that, and nothing would ever come of it.
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12-03-13, 03:19 PM
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Most likely is the content owner would file a DMCA takedown notice against the owners of this forum, who would then remove the content.
12-03-13, 04:05 PM
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Exactly...I wish I could find a group like the one in the story.
Of the group rides I've been on, a scant few are at a pace so slow, it will make you numb chugging along. The others, the term "no drop" goes completely out of the window and you're either racing, or dropped. Too many superstars round here. Out of 14 or so...6 will blast out everyone, ride to the next "checkpoint" then want to leave the second the group catches up. It's miserable.
This is why I ride solo now...I'm tired of having good riding opportunities wasted on some jerks who want to race.
Of the group rides I've been on, a scant few are at a pace so slow, it will make you numb chugging along. The others, the term "no drop" goes completely out of the window and you're either racing, or dropped. Too many superstars round here. Out of 14 or so...6 will blast out everyone, ride to the next "checkpoint" then want to leave the second the group catches up. It's miserable.
This is why I ride solo now...I'm tired of having good riding opportunities wasted on some jerks who want to race.
{"real" men never ask for directions nor do they use gps when dead reckoning, trial and error, and hopefully road signs will suffice.**I don't mind faster riders showing up for a group ride then breaking off on their own. It's when the ride leader has posted a pace and then proceeds to ignore it. That kind of bothered me in the past but now that I ride so much solo I no longer care what the others are doing.
12-03-13, 04:24 PM
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12-03-13, 06:50 PM
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Riding in close formation and through close gaps is much more about balance than it is about reaction time. Noobies get this wrong a lot. A bike rider is an inverted pendulum; steering the front wheel keeps the bike/rider upright. If the gap is opening even minutely, it means the rider is off balance going away from you. A skilled rider can use this fact to make space for himself.
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12-04-13, 07:26 AM
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It's not like he's traveling between concrete walls here. You hit the gap when it's slightly opening, meaning the people creating the gap are slightly leaning out, and when they oscillate back the other way, you are there and the gap stays open.
Riding in close formation and through close gaps is much more about balance than it is about reaction time. Noobies get this wrong a lot. A bike rider is an inverted pendulum; steering the front wheel keeps the bike/rider upright. If the gap is opening even minutely, it means the rider is off balance going away from you. A skilled rider can use this fact to make space for himself.
Riding in close formation and through close gaps is much more about balance than it is about reaction time. Noobies get this wrong a lot. A bike rider is an inverted pendulum; steering the front wheel keeps the bike/rider upright. If the gap is opening even minutely, it means the rider is off balance going away from you. A skilled rider can use this fact to make space for himself.
12-04-13, 12:51 PM
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Did you see that part where he talks about having a new rider in that group, and working with him/her?
I didn't either.
Don't guess that ever happens in that group.
I read where he learned that as a kid from his dad. I didn't read about them having any of their sons or daughters along in that group so they could learn, though.
I didn't either.
Don't guess that ever happens in that group.
I read where he learned that as a kid from his dad. I didn't read about them having any of their sons or daughters along in that group so they could learn, though.
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