Campy on my new Bike? Or Shimano?
12-04-11, 11:52 AM
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Which is, of course, not the point.
Appreciate the comment though - and you are exactly right. It is more a romantic (and aesthetic) notion than a practical one for me, especially as I have not even ridden Campy to date. With either Campy or Shimano, I can get a great bike with a great group - but if it is all Italian and romantic and aesthetic and I love it and ride it to death? Well, sounds like a win.
12-04-11, 11:51 PM
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Seems to me to be almost sacriledge to run Shimano on an Italian bike. It happens I know, but it certainly would not be my preference.
Anyway, if you're thinking of 10sp and staying with it, Centaur is a great choice. Cycling+ recently tested 105, Apex and Centaur. Even though Centaur was lighter, shifted faster and was price competitive (middle of the 3 I think), they picked Apex as the best ONLY because you can get a cassette that topped out at 32 teeth. However, Campagnolo will have a 30 tooth cassette for 2012. Anyway, Centaur is a VERY good 10sp group at a good price.
If you are thinking about 11sp, Shimano's won't be available until the 2013 model and SRAM isn't even making any rumblings. Campagnolo has 4 group levels of 11sp. I just moved from a 10sp 2005/06 Centaur-Chorus mix to 11sp Chorus. My thought was that if I choose to go EPS in the future, I'm all set with an 11sp group. I would only need to swap out the shifters and derailleurs.
I got a chance to ride a Pinarello Dogma 2 equipped with SuperRecord EPS last week. I spent about 45 minutes on it. With some background road and/or traffic noise to mask a bit of an electric motor sound, you almost don't know the difference. It's really quite unobtrusive.
Also, regarding the EPS system, the SuperRecord and Record versions will be out in the Spring. The NEWS is that there will be an Athena EPS version as a 2013 product.
Anyway, if you're thinking of 10sp and staying with it, Centaur is a great choice. Cycling+ recently tested 105, Apex and Centaur. Even though Centaur was lighter, shifted faster and was price competitive (middle of the 3 I think), they picked Apex as the best ONLY because you can get a cassette that topped out at 32 teeth. However, Campagnolo will have a 30 tooth cassette for 2012. Anyway, Centaur is a VERY good 10sp group at a good price.
If you are thinking about 11sp, Shimano's won't be available until the 2013 model and SRAM isn't even making any rumblings. Campagnolo has 4 group levels of 11sp. I just moved from a 10sp 2005/06 Centaur-Chorus mix to 11sp Chorus. My thought was that if I choose to go EPS in the future, I'm all set with an 11sp group. I would only need to swap out the shifters and derailleurs.
I got a chance to ride a Pinarello Dogma 2 equipped with SuperRecord EPS last week. I spent about 45 minutes on it. With some background road and/or traffic noise to mask a bit of an electric motor sound, you almost don't know the difference. It's really quite unobtrusive.
Also, regarding the EPS system, the SuperRecord and Record versions will be out in the Spring. The NEWS is that there will be an Athena EPS version as a 2013 product.
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12-05-11, 12:31 AM
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Seems to me to be almost sacriledge to run Shimano on an Italian bike. It happens I know, but it certainly would not be my preference.
Anyway, if you're thinking of 10sp and staying with it, Centaur is a great choice. Cycling+ recently tested 105, Apex and Centaur. Even though Centaur was lighter, shifted faster and was price competitive (middle of the 3 I think), they picked Apex as the best ONLY because you can get a cassette that topped out at 32 teeth. However, Campagnolo will have a 30 tooth cassette for 2012. Anyway, Centaur is a VERY good 10sp group at a good price.
If you are thinking about 11sp, Shimano's won't be available until the 2013 model and SRAM isn't even making any rumblings. Campagnolo has 4 group levels of 11sp. I just moved from a 10sp 2005/06 Centaur-Chorus mix to 11sp Chorus. My thought was that if I choose to go EPS in the future, I'm all set with an 11sp group. I would only need to swap out the shifters and derailleurs.
I got a chance to ride a Pinarello Dogma 2 equipped with SuperRecord EPS last week. I spent about 45 minutes on it. With some background road and/or traffic noise to mask a bit of an electric motor sound, you almost don't know the difference. It's really quite unobtrusive.
Also, regarding the EPS system, the SuperRecord and Record versions will be out in the Spring. The NEWS is that there will be an Athena EPS version as a 2013 product.
Anyway, if you're thinking of 10sp and staying with it, Centaur is a great choice. Cycling+ recently tested 105, Apex and Centaur. Even though Centaur was lighter, shifted faster and was price competitive (middle of the 3 I think), they picked Apex as the best ONLY because you can get a cassette that topped out at 32 teeth. However, Campagnolo will have a 30 tooth cassette for 2012. Anyway, Centaur is a VERY good 10sp group at a good price.
If you are thinking about 11sp, Shimano's won't be available until the 2013 model and SRAM isn't even making any rumblings. Campagnolo has 4 group levels of 11sp. I just moved from a 10sp 2005/06 Centaur-Chorus mix to 11sp Chorus. My thought was that if I choose to go EPS in the future, I'm all set with an 11sp group. I would only need to swap out the shifters and derailleurs.
I got a chance to ride a Pinarello Dogma 2 equipped with SuperRecord EPS last week. I spent about 45 minutes on it. With some background road and/or traffic noise to mask a bit of an electric motor sound, you almost don't know the difference. It's really quite unobtrusive.
Also, regarding the EPS system, the SuperRecord and Record versions will be out in the Spring. The NEWS is that there will be an Athena EPS version as a 2013 product.
How well did the EPS shift? Was it as dead nuts precise and reliable as Di2?
12-05-11, 04:55 AM
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i have SuperRecord on one bike (Trek Madone project one) and SRAM RED on my Cervelo. I love them both even though they are different.
12-05-11, 08:19 AM
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The shifting action occurred right on command. As I said, it is really unobtrusive. I thought it would really leap out at me, but it didn't. I can't really compare it to Di2 as I've never ridden it. I've played with it on a workstand, but that was all.
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@flatlander_48: Awesome info, thanks!
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I wonder if their thought is to bring athena EPS in at (or maybe below) the ultegra di2 mark.
The choice to skip chorus may be a result of not having enough room to make it cheaper than record EPS but still retain enough of the high end qualities to keep it comparible to standard chorus. Record EPS already shares qualities with chorus, the alloy FD cage fo example. Time will tell.
The choice to skip chorus may be a result of not having enough room to make it cheaper than record EPS but still retain enough of the high end qualities to keep it comparible to standard chorus. Record EPS already shares qualities with chorus, the alloy FD cage fo example. Time will tell.
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I have an 11 speed chorus on one bike and a 10 speed chorus on another.
I used to ride ultegra's. My wife's bike has 105's.
I will only ride campy's now.
I like the multiple shifts.
I like the crisps vs smooth sweeps. I also like the fact that the shifters can be overhauled/rebuilt.
And honestly I love the heritage. Read the latest bicycling magazine article on campagnolo.
I'm looking into getting some Campagnolo Eurus wheels soon.
I used to ride ultegra's. My wife's bike has 105's.
I will only ride campy's now.
I like the multiple shifts.
I like the crisps vs smooth sweeps. I also like the fact that the shifters can be overhauled/rebuilt.
And honestly I love the heritage. Read the latest bicycling magazine article on campagnolo.
I'm looking into getting some Campagnolo Eurus wheels soon.
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The wheels get moved around when I'm too lazy to change a flat, a different wheel has the cassette on it I want, second set of wheels for the wheel pit, or they're the right wheel for the ride I'm doing,( i.e. the tubulars for racing, the 32 spoked Open Pro's for a touring ride, wheels with road tires on the CX bike when I'm riding it on the road, wheels with cross tires when I'm racing cross) I have a bunch of bikes, and a bunch of wheelsets. I don't even really think of it as this wheelset belongs to this bike.
If I couldn't interchange, I'd have to ride my TT bike with a disc and a tri spoke all the time. So for me wheel interchageability is a major advantage.
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12-05-11, 06:33 PM
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It's a B U Y cycle
Campy Brakes BB Cranks and Shimano BarCons and Shimano F/R Derailleur with SRAM Cassette on another
And only a Campy Crank on another
Truth be told I bought what I thought would be fun to try and I am not disappointed
I have Sugino SR Suntour on other bikes
My hubs are all different I never really thought about that oddly enough no Campy, Durace, Suntour Cyclone & Sprint Shimano 105, sun and Malliard 600
Rims are all different too Dyad, CR18, Mavic MAtrix Araya, Super Champion's, The only two sets of Wheels I have the same are Steel 27 inch Araya...
So depending on how much you weigh and what type of riding and how often you want to replace expensive things with even more expensive things and your LBS having parts in stock Go with Shimano
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I wonder if their thought is to bring athena EPS in at (or maybe below) the ultegra di2 mark.
The choice to skip chorus may be a result of not having enough room to make it cheaper than record EPS but still retain enough of the high end qualities to keep it comparible to standard chorus. Record EPS already shares qualities with chorus, the alloy FD cage fo example. Time will tell.
The choice to skip chorus may be a result of not having enough room to make it cheaper than record EPS but still retain enough of the high end qualities to keep it comparible to standard chorus. Record EPS already shares qualities with chorus, the alloy FD cage fo example. Time will tell.
12-06-11, 07:13 AM
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Having an all alloy athena group would also let them do some small hardware changes to produce centaur EPS. Of course a software change to 10spd would also be needed if it doesn't jump to 11 soon. (Which I expect it to)
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This is part of my thinking also. I respect the desire to not work towards being the biggest. Campagnolo is perfectly happy to keep a tight reign on production and quality and to not expand beyond the point where they would begin to lose control. There is something very respectable in that.
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You can get new campy groups for really cheap on ribble. The new campy groups with the new PT cranksets are lighter than the old ones, even veloce is lighter than 105 and almost as light as ultegra. There exists a thing called a jtek shiftmate that modifies the RD cable throw and allows you to use shimano 10sp cassettes with a campy 10sp drivetrain, people online are saying they adapt perfectly and I'm going that route myself. Obviously if you go 11 speed you can't interchange with shimano at all. Centaur 10 speed is quite good and is only $600
https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/gsg/ro...RIBMO&tmp=_CAR
https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/gsg/ro...RIBMO&tmp=_CAR
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I wouldn't hesitate to order from either again.
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I have ordered from Ribble and Chain Reaction Cycles in the UK. Most times of the year it takes about a week or so to arrive. Last year when I ordered shifters around this time it took about 4 weeks for the parts to show up. I think the longer time was just due to the volume of orders at this time of year.
I wouldn't hesitate to order from either again.
I wouldn't hesitate to order from either again.
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12-07-11, 12:00 PM
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I've had the same experiance with pbk and ribble.
I think all but one of my orders came in 5-10 business days.
My only comment is that ribble doesn't always update descriptions if there are year to year changes (like with cassettes) if there is any question just email them. Responses happen in under 10min when they are open.
I think all but one of my orders came in 5-10 business days.
My only comment is that ribble doesn't always update descriptions if there are year to year changes (like with cassettes) if there is any question just email them. Responses happen in under 10min when they are open.