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Titanium has a "self-healing" protective coating?

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Old 01-17-12 | 09:25 AM
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Titanium has a "self-healing" protective coating?

This is what happens when I'm getting my treatments....I have time to obsess and find useless info. However, I found this interesting. Now, I found it on the internets, so even though I don't know for certain the source is 100% reliable, it must be true! From https://www.timet.com/cor-p04.htm

Titanium and its alloys provide excellent resistance to general localized attack under most oxidizing, neutral and inhibited reducing conditions. They also remain passive under mildly reducing conditions, although they may be attacked by strongly reducing or complexing media.

Titanium metal's corrosion resistance is due to a stable, protective, strongly adherent oxide film. This film forms instantly when a fresh surface is exposed to air or moisture. According to Andreeva^(1) the oxide film formed on titanium at room temperature immediately after a clean surface is exposed to air is 12-16 Angstroms thick. After 70 days it is about 50 Angstroms. It continues to grow slowly reaching a thickness of 80-90 Angstroms in 545 days and 250 Angstroms in four years. The film growth is accelerated under strongly oxidizing conditions, such as heating in air, anodic polarization in an electrolyte or exposure to oxidizing agents such as HNO3, C(R)O3, etc.

The composition of this film varies from TiO2 at the surface to Ti2O3, to TiO at the metal interface^(2). Oxidizing conditions promote the formation of TiO2 so that in such environments the film is primarily TiO2. This film is transparent in its normal thin configuration and not detectable by visual means.

A study of the corrosion resistance of titanium is basically a study of the properties of the oxide film. The oxide film on titanium is very stable and is only attacked by a few substances, most notably, hydrofluoric acid. Titanium is capable of healing this film almost instantly in any environment where a trace of moisture or oxygen is present because of its strong affinity for oxygen.

Anhydrous conditions in the absence of a source of oxygen should be avoided since the protective film may not be regenerated if damaged.
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you figured this out now?

aluminum has the same thing, btw.
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That's just a fancy way of saying, "if you scrape the film from an area, it will re-oxidize."

Rust is also 'self healing'. If you scrape the rust off a steel tube, it will re-rust.
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Old 01-17-12 | 09:49 AM
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Rust is also 'self healing'. If you scrape the rust off a steel tube, it will re-rust and then explode.
Titanium heals itself just like my body.
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Titanium heals itself just like my body.
It must have very active mitochondria.
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To me this means I have to polish my ti frame every 6 months to avoid that dull finish.
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Old 01-17-12 | 10:15 AM
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It must have very active mitochondria.
the mitochondria in titanium is not even close to the amount of mitochondria in my muscles.

the mitochondrial level in crabon is somewhere in between the two.
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Titanium heals itself just like my body.
im ti-curious, can i ride your body to get a feel for "the real thing".

*if only i could copyright "ti-curious"*
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Old 01-17-12 | 10:29 AM
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im ti-curious, can i ride your body to get a feel for "the real thing".

*if only i could copyright "ti-curious"*
you might be ti-curious but i'm not sorry.
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Originally Posted by Commodus
That's just a fancy way of saying, "if you scrape the film from an area, it will re-oxidize."

Rust is also 'self healing'. If you scrape the rust off a steel tube, it will re-rust.
yes, the difference is that rust will continue to pit into the material, but with Ti and Al, the oxidation layer seals off the inner material and prevents further oxidation from continuing.
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yes, the difference is that rust will continue to pit into the material, but with Ti and Al, the oxidation layer seals off the inner material and prevents further oxidation from continuing.
so correct me if i'm wrong but it sounds like you're saying steel is the worst possible material in existence to use as a bicycle frame material?
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yes, the difference is that rust will continue to pit into the material, but with Ti and Al, the oxidation layer seals off the inner material and prevents further oxidation from continuing.
This is true.
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yes unpainted non-stainless steel, left out in rain frequently and not cared for is a terrible material for bikes. (kind of like non-clear coated carbon)

On the other hand, I'm currently restoring my mom's old early 1950's model cruiser - it has some rust, but it sands right off to clean metal with a little sand paper. Another 60 years or so, and thing would have been toast though.
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you figured this out now?
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yes unpainted non-stainless steel, left out in rain frequently and not cared for is a terrible material for bikes. (kind of like non-clear coated carbon)
steel has almost no mitochondria
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Originally Posted by Commodus
That's just a fancy way of saying, "if you scrape the film from an area, it will re-oxidize."

Rust is also 'self healing'. If you scrape the rust off a steel tube, it will re-rust.
This is sadly misleading.

Originally Posted by pallen
yes, the difference is that rust will continue to pit into the material, but with Ti and Al, the oxidation layer seals off the inner material and prevents further oxidation from continuing.
That's the difference.

Originally Posted by Commodus
This is true.
As you realize.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
This is sadly misleading.


That's the difference.


As you realize.
Thank you for your contribution.
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Originally Posted by wkg
steel has almost no mitochondria
true, thats a real problem there. I hear they are working on some high-mitochondrial steel alloys though.
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Old 01-17-12 | 11:23 AM
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It must have very active mitochondria.
What kind of workouts do I need to do to increase the mitochondria in my titanium? Do I need to do a certain kind of intervals?
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Thank you for your contribution.
You're welcome!
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Wait...

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Thank you for your pointless drivel.
Ah. FIFM
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Wait...

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Originally Posted by Commodus
That's just a fancy way of saying, "if you scrape the film from an area, it will re-oxidize."

Rust is also 'self healing'. If you scrape the rust off a steel tube, it will re-rust.
Thank you for your pointless drivel.
Ah. FIFM
Yes, your contribution was drivel. It's not clear why you are thanking yourself for contributing it though. That's just weird.

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No, this is drivel:
how is that drivel
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From afar, this thread appears to have peaked at "ti-curious" before devolving to "drivel". Very sad. Perhaps some intervals between the two might refresh the mitochondria, or just turn you all into hypo-mitochondriacs.

Just sayin
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Old 01-17-12 | 12:43 PM
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I think that's the basic effect in stainless steel and aluminum as well.
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