rangerdavid

here we go again.


plenty of protien in red, black, kidney, and other beans, eggs, etc. Many people consume much more protien than they actually need. I dont eat meat either. Haven't for over 15 years. I so occasionally eat fish. So "pescaterian" migh better describe my diet. But no, you can live quite well without meat and all the hormones and crap they inject into the meat you eat prior to killing it. Not eating meat is also much better for the animals.

rangerdavid

old BFjoke............

rangerdavid

awesome advice, kudos to you sir!!

RT

Intentional misspell - old BF joke.

EDIT: Oops, thanks ranger...

whitemax

Creatine definitely allows one to perform better lifting weights, that is documented. I don't know, but I haven't read anything to suggest that creatine does anything to improve cycling. I would think that the weight gain relative to water retention would offset any benefits. Yes/no?

EdIsMe

Creatine improves cellular respiration. While it has no effect on endurance, it does have an effect on how much power you can put out (maximum) as well as perceived effort level at given ouput.

Creatine is also best taken (in my experience) in cycles. Your body produces creatine naturally, and will adapt to the higher metabolic output. I've been doing on/off 1 month cycles for about a year and continue to see gains during on cycles (small gains, but gains nonetheless).

grolby

I make regular use of a liquid malt/hop supplement.

More seriously, regarding the perennial meat/vegetables controversy, the defensive meat-eaters* making a big deal about protein need to get a grip. Meat is indeed the easiest way to get certain proteins, amino acids and iron, but it is not REQUIRED in order to get these micronutrients, and moreover, the typical amount of meat consumed in a North American and Western European diet is far, far in excess of what would be required to meet your needs for those micronutrients. Give the vegetarians and low-meat people a break; they're probably eating healthier than you are.**

* I'm an unrepentant omnivore, myself.

** Not necessarily, of course, but statistically speaking most of the people on this board, including me, would probably be better off eating less meat and more vegetables.

RT

You're not my real mom!!!

wle

little debbies

vanilla jo-jos [trader joes]

mmm

wle

AdelaaR

Rimmer

EPO, steroids, HGH, testosterone

pallen

That's the approach I've been taking - eat your veggies like mom always said. Eating meat or not eating meat, to me, is not as important to health as eating enough veggies. I've known vegans who eat mostly french fries, pancakes and donuts and such - that's not doing your body any favors.

Nerull

It kind of amazes me how many people will scream about unnamed, mysterious "chemicals" in everything, and then proceed to shovel random late night infomercial "supplements" into their body.

AdelaaR

There are many studies which show clearly that meat and fish contain a dozen times more toxic stuff than practically any other type of food.
The reason is simple: animals live for a long time and eat a lot of food ... food, which has been contaminated by all kinds of pecticides or elements such as lead or cadmium.
These poisonous substances tend to pile up in these animals and especially in their "fat".

ChrisM2097

That's probably why it tastes so good.

RT

I may have overdosed on salad tonight. They always start so small...

jmX

I might gain 1% in weight (I'm almost always 158lbs, but it does bump up a little to 159 or 160 during more intense training - where my legs always hurt). Anyway I almost always end my "events" 3-4 lbs under normal body weight, so going into the events with extra water probably is ok for me and my bad hydration habits on the bike. Supposedly it'll allow me a little harder training in the month before the event, which in turn should allow for more endurance as a side effect of the harder training.

If you "look inside" this book on amazon, check out the chapter on supplements...the 2nd page of the chapter talks about creatine:
https://www.amazon.com/Racing-Weight-.../dp/1934030511

whitemax

[QUOTE=rangerdavid;14293499]here we go again.

Did he bring you a BudLight?

wle

it all just seems like cheating
supplements
tubulars
aero bars
aero wheels
pelotons


why do it, if you aren;t racing?

though i do use clipless for everyday riding, SPD though so i can walk

wle

Compsci523

I never really understood why people take pills, powders etc. Probably the worst thing you can do to your body. I eat this weird thing, probably unknown to the general population, organic food. Although when I lived in Europe they just call it food, nothing modified. Wasn't until I came to North America that I saw strawberries the size of apples.

Ricanfred

+1 deacon....

ColinL

Athletic health supplements are not homeopathic remedies. They provide things that are in foods, but inconvenient or impossible to get high dosages through regular food.

Thus the pills and powders.

hhnngg1

There's only one supplement I swear by, and it's not really as a supplement as you might be thinking of, like recovery drink or some fitness enhancing substance.

I use BULK MALTODEXTRIN for all long rides over 2hrs, mixed into my water bottles. Put 1 cup in one bottle for 2-3hrs, 2 cups in 2 bottles for 3+ hrs. Gives about 700 kcal per bottle when dissolved.

The reasons for preferring this:

-Cheap as heck. Buy it for $1/pound if you get it in a 50lbs bag online, which is good enough to last for 2+ years for most. I bought a bag 3.5 yrs ago, and have still enough to fill an entire large paint bucket (I don't use it every week though.) It stores extremely well when kept in those buckets - still using it 3 years later!

- It's the same exact stuff as gels, and all sports energy drinks. Maltodextrin is 95% of calories in all the popular formulations, be it Infinit, Hammer, etc. for sports drinks meant for long endurance riding (providing lots of calories.) All those convenient sport gels are also 95%+ maltodextrin. So why pay $50 for a tub of perpetuem that lasts for like 1-2 months when you can pay $50 for a 3 year supply? (Share with friends!)

- Liquid nutrition on the bike will prevent you from having to do a #2 on the road. Seriously. When you're out for 6 hours on a 100+ miler, it's helpful to not get the urge to pull a #2, especially if you're miles from a bathroom. (I was often 20+miles away from a bathroom in the Santa Monica mountains.)

It's the only 'supplement' I use, but I use it more like food, in terms of getting calories than a true performance-enhancer. (I don't believe in those aside from illegal steroids.)

pallen

maybe there's a reason for that...

roadrider63

I currently take a multivitamin and fish oil. I know for a fact i don't get enough veggies but probably do get plenty of fruits in a day. I also love meat. The problem I think we face is portion size. A portion of meat/protien is supposed to be the size of a deck of cards (3oz), not a 16 oz Tbone.

My fall/winter weather fun along with cycling comes in the form of bowhunting. Deer meat is very lean and when you process it yourself, you know what your getting. I'm also pretty sure they are not being shot up with steroids or other supplements. One of the leanest red meats I've eaten.

I'd say we just need to enjoy all foods and if we want to enjoy some of the "bad' foods, enjoy them in moderation.