Question about fit
08-08-12 | 07:46 AM
#77
Jet Jockey
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,941
Likes: 30
From: St. Paul, MN
Bikes: Cannondale CAAD9, Ritchey Breakaway Cross, Nashbar X-frame bike, Bike Friday Haul-a-Day, Surly Pugsley.
08-08-12 | 07:53 AM
#78
Jet Jockey
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,941
Likes: 30
From: St. Paul, MN
Bikes: Cannondale CAAD9, Ritchey Breakaway Cross, Nashbar X-frame bike, Bike Friday Haul-a-Day, Surly Pugsley.
I'm not sure what my "tactical" callsign I got after mission qual in the F-16 has to do with it.
I probably should have just made up some random screen name acronym though. That would have been a lot cooler, and made my posts as valid as yours.
I probably should have just made up some random screen name acronym though. That would have been a lot cooler, and made my posts as valid as yours.
__________________
Good night...and good luck
Good night...and good luck
08-08-12 | 07:59 AM
#79
Voice of the Industry
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 12,572
Likes: 8
08-08-12 | 08:54 AM
#81
You blink and it's gone.
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 4,436
Likes: 0
From: Dundas, Ontario
Bikes: Race bike, training bike, go fast bike and a trainer slave.
I had originally planned on a longer 110mm stem, but the reach was more then I was looking for...It's amazing what STA and HTA do to overall reach...
Also, I run a fair bit of saddle setback...More then most, got long femurs...
Here's the issue...How can you guys be making comments about my fit, or anyone's fit without actually seeing them on the bike in real world conditions. You're commenting on my fit based on my height and frame size without even knowing the full geometry of the bike or my actual cycling measurements.
I have been fit before and since then I have moved down and back...I have never felt more comfortable and dialed in on my bike then I feel now...There is no cramped feeling or arched back...Power numbers are the same between bikes and have remained pretty static and are only affected by my level of training.
I thought the 52 was going to be too small, but it feels so nice...I'll also add, for this frame, all the guys on our team have gone down one frame size to achieve their normal fit...I guess we all must be wrong
08-08-12 | 08:55 AM
#82
Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,809
Likes: 28
From: North Idaho
Bikes: n + 1
It's not all the "bad" right now. You definitively don't want to go higher. You are wise to make small adjustments, (5 mm). Try it for awhile, then see how it feels. You can always go back up. Do you have cleated shoes and clips on the pedals? Or, are they just flat pedals?
As others have suggested, the best is to get a pro fit. It's a little expensive, (around $200), but well worth it if you are halfway serious about cycling. If you don't ride clipless or most of your rides are less than 20 miles, then the value of a pro fit is questionable.
08-08-12 | 09:06 AM
#83
Voice of the Industry
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 12,572
Likes: 8
Interesting...I was on a 54 Tarmac prior and this new 52 chinese frame has just a slightly shorter reach then the Tarmac, to the center of the bars...With the 100 stem...
I had originally planned on a longer 110mm stem, but the reach was more then I was looking for...It's amazing what STA and HTA do to overall reach...
Also, I run a fair bit of saddle setback...More then most, got long femurs...
Here's the issue...How can you guys be making comments about my fit, or anyone's fit without actually seeing them on the bike in real world conditions. You're commenting on my fit based on my height and frame size without even knowing the full geometry of the bike or my actual cycling measurements.
I have been fit before and since then I have moved down and back...I have never felt more comfortable and dialed in on my bike then I feel now...There is no cramped feeling or arched back...Power numbers are the same between bikes and have remained pretty static and are only affected by my level of training.
I thought the 52 was going to be too small, but it feels so nice...I'll also add, for this frame, all the guys on our team have gone down one frame size to achieve their normal fit...I guess we all must be wrong
I had originally planned on a longer 110mm stem, but the reach was more then I was looking for...It's amazing what STA and HTA do to overall reach...
Also, I run a fair bit of saddle setback...More then most, got long femurs...
Here's the issue...How can you guys be making comments about my fit, or anyone's fit without actually seeing them on the bike in real world conditions. You're commenting on my fit based on my height and frame size without even knowing the full geometry of the bike or my actual cycling measurements.
I have been fit before and since then I have moved down and back...I have never felt more comfortable and dialed in on my bike then I feel now...There is no cramped feeling or arched back...Power numbers are the same between bikes and have remained pretty static and are only affected by my level of training.
I thought the 52 was going to be too small, but it feels so nice...I'll also add, for this frame, all the guys on our team have gone down one frame size to achieve their normal fit...I guess we all must be wrong
FWIW...femur length dictating saddle setback is baloney. I am not against a lot of setback, but femur length is not a criteria.
Look...we all have to sit back and laugh about fit...especially on the internet. It is a bit of a joke, but some issues are glaring.
There is no ideal fit for any rider. Fit depends on flexibility as much as body proportions for example.
If you like your fit, then don't change.
Last edited by Campag4life; 08-08-12 at 09:10 AM.
08-08-12 | 09:08 AM
#84
Voice of the Industry
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 12,572
Likes: 8
Snickers, while a popular candy bar, is not an influencing factor of fit...unless you eat too many, then you can't run as much drop.
08-08-12 | 09:16 AM
#85
Jet Jockey
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,941
Likes: 30
From: St. Paul, MN
Bikes: Cannondale CAAD9, Ritchey Breakaway Cross, Nashbar X-frame bike, Bike Friday Haul-a-Day, Surly Pugsley.
Simply put, because we are fit savants. A couple of sentences and we know how you fit on the bike and what your issues are.
FWIW...femur length dictating saddle setback is baloney. I am not against a lot of setback, but femur length is not a criteria.
Look...we all have to sit back and laugh about fit...especially on the internet. It is a bit of a joke, but some issues are glaring.
There is no ideal fit for any rider. Fit depends on flexibility as much as body proportions for example.
If you like your fit, then don't change.
FWIW...femur length dictating saddle setback is baloney. I am not against a lot of setback, but femur length is not a criteria.
Look...we all have to sit back and laugh about fit...especially on the internet. It is a bit of a joke, but some issues are glaring.
There is no ideal fit for any rider. Fit depends on flexibility as much as body proportions for example.
If you like your fit, then don't change.
__________________
Good night...and good luck
Good night...and good luck
08-08-12 | 09:24 AM
#86
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 663
Likes: 0
From: Floriduh
Bikes: 2011 Neuvation FC100, 2013 Mercier Kilo TT Pro, 1984 Peugeot SV-L
No offense taken, but I don't see myself as overweight maybe a little spare tire and that is the reason why I ask. Height weight 5 feet 8 inches approx 172 pounds.
To reply to the saddle height, according to my lbs I have the correct angle of knee bend with my cycling shoes.
and that is the reason why I ask. Height weight 5 feet 8 inches approx 172 pounds.To reply to the saddle height, according to my lbs I have the correct angle of knee bend with my cycling shoes.
2. Your arms in the pictures are fully extended. Put your bars back where they were comfortable and work on bending your elbows to get lower.
3. Your bike fit looks fine and I'd trust your LBS... at least a lot more than I'd trust internet experts.
*I'm 5'5" and weigh 145 lbs. I'm still overweight for cycling and my legs hit my belly when in the drops. The old classic BMI chart is pretty accurate in regards to cycling. If you're not near or below your bottom number, you're too fat for this sport.
08-08-12 | 10:17 AM
#87
Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
All I know is that when these fit "experts" start their post with things like "what most people dont understand" what it means is "im going to ignore your question completely and preach to you about my long stem becasue there is a vague chance you may possibly listen and it will help me with complex about short stems"
OMG this is so Freudian!
08-08-12 | 10:21 AM
#88
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 234
Likes: 0
You will not be "bouncing" anymore. Or, your hips will be more level throughout the pedal stroke and not going up and down as you extend your leg fully. You'll be able to maintain power in your stroke all the way to the bottom of the pedal rotation. And, you won't have to flex your ankle, front to back, because your leg is not fully extended. It will just feel more comfortable.
It's not all the "bad" right now. You definitively don't want to go higher. You are wise to make small adjustments, (5 mm). Try it for awhile, then see how it feels. You can always go back up. Do you have cleated shoes and clips on the pedals? Or, are they just flat pedals?
As others have suggested, the best is to get a pro fit. It's a little expensive, (around $200), but well worth it if you are halfway serious about cycling. If you don't ride clipless or most of your rides are less than 20 miles, then the value of a pro fit is questionable.
It's not all the "bad" right now. You definitively don't want to go higher. You are wise to make small adjustments, (5 mm). Try it for awhile, then see how it feels. You can always go back up. Do you have cleated shoes and clips on the pedals? Or, are they just flat pedals?
As others have suggested, the best is to get a pro fit. It's a little expensive, (around $200), but well worth it if you are halfway serious about cycling. If you don't ride clipless or most of your rides are less than 20 miles, then the value of a pro fit is questionable.
i moved the saddle down 5 mm, move it back 10 mm.
we will see how that goes.
08-08-12 | 10:37 AM
#89
Jet Jockey
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,941
Likes: 30
From: St. Paul, MN
Bikes: Cannondale CAAD9, Ritchey Breakaway Cross, Nashbar X-frame bike, Bike Friday Haul-a-Day, Surly Pugsley.
08-08-12 | 05:47 PM
#90
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,204
Likes: 1
Bikes: Colnago C59 Italia Di2
You are referring to me which is fine. I quote Pro specs as an 'example' based upon rider size. Yes there is variance within the pro ranks. You won't find a pro riding a bike with a 100mm stem or a 6' er with less than a 600mm cockpit either. They don't exist. That is fine as well. I ride with 600mm and am a 6 footer btw and no pro. Many pros my size are in the 625mm range which is fine for them. I suggested riding a shorter cockpit than most pros because it is common sense. I honestly don't care what you ride. In fact based upon all the data published on the 41 more guys than not ride small frames like the pros only with a 100mm stem. To me, this is horrible position on a bike. I hope you like it. Recently there were a lot of 6'4" guys coming here also with 100mm stems and it was obvious they were ridiculously cramped on the bike...very big guys riding a cockpit of 580mm or so. Most that lengthened their cockpit are much happier with their fit and faster.
Fit will never be agreed upon. If the great Eddie Merckx constantly changed his frames as an ongoing experiment to avert pain as in his case, and one of the things overlooked about him is his mastery of understanding bike fit as it relates to speed, then the average guy has a lot of experimenting to do. Currently FWIW I have taken a page out of Road Warrior's book and gone to a 140mm stem and a bit less setback to open my hip angle to generate a bit more power in the drops where I am spending more time. An ongoing experiment.
Probably the best way to assess fit if serious is with a power meter and a wind tunnel. Most of us don't have those at our disposal. Many know that closing the hip angle will generally reduce power output so its a tradeoff between aero profile and power. TT bike fitters generally understand this more than road bike guys.
PS: btw its drivel and not dribble...what babies do. Yes we can all act like babies from time to time.
Fit will never be agreed upon. If the great Eddie Merckx constantly changed his frames as an ongoing experiment to avert pain as in his case, and one of the things overlooked about him is his mastery of understanding bike fit as it relates to speed, then the average guy has a lot of experimenting to do. Currently FWIW I have taken a page out of Road Warrior's book and gone to a 140mm stem and a bit less setback to open my hip angle to generate a bit more power in the drops where I am spending more time. An ongoing experiment.
Probably the best way to assess fit if serious is with a power meter and a wind tunnel. Most of us don't have those at our disposal. Many know that closing the hip angle will generally reduce power output so its a tradeoff between aero profile and power. TT bike fitters generally understand this more than road bike guys.
PS: btw its drivel and not dribble...what babies do. Yes we can all act like babies from time to time.
Enjoy your 140mm stem, you're at the end of the line now, next extra reach experiment will need a new frame.
Childish indeed to copy your hero. Its fit rule number 1, make your bike fit you. Duh
Oh and i found one with his stem flipped up, shame i didnt get a photo.... and why are you suddenly talking about pros on 100mm stems, i never suggested that. You ruled out 110s a minute ago until you became educated. childish indeed to change facts to suit your argument
Last edited by lazerzxr; 08-08-12 at 05:52 PM.
08-08-12 | 06:42 PM
#91
Banned
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,419
Likes: 1
There is significant variation in the pro ranks SIGNIFICANT making your -20mm rule extremely silly. these are trained professional athletes - amongst the general population there is SIGNIFICANTLY MORE variation making your fit rules total nonsense.
Enjoy your 140mm stem, you're at the end of the line now, next extra reach experiment will need a new frame.
Childish indeed to copy your hero. Its fit rule number 1, make your bike fit you. Duh
Oh and i found one with his stem flipped up, shame i didnt get a photo.... and why are you suddenly talking about pros on 100mm stems, i never suggested that. You ruled out 110s a minute ago until you became educated. childish indeed to change facts to suit your argument
Enjoy your 140mm stem, you're at the end of the line now, next extra reach experiment will need a new frame.
Childish indeed to copy your hero. Its fit rule number 1, make your bike fit you. Duh
Oh and i found one with his stem flipped up, shame i didnt get a photo.... and why are you suddenly talking about pros on 100mm stems, i never suggested that. You ruled out 110s a minute ago until you became educated. childish indeed to change facts to suit your argument
08-08-12 | 09:24 PM
#92
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,204
Likes: 1
Bikes: Colnago C59 Italia Di2
Perhapse you would like to explain bike fit to this guy. He is clearly doing it all wrong.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/...om-colnago-c59
https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/...om-colnago-c59
08-08-12 | 09:26 PM
#93
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,204
Likes: 1
Bikes: Colnago C59 Italia Di2
So you're highly opinionated, often wrong and find it difficult to accept your mistakes and admit your ideas are sometimes silly. Life must be difficult for you, perhapse therapy would help.
Last edited by lazerzxr; 08-08-12 at 10:08 PM.
08-09-12 | 05:19 AM
#94
Senior Member
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,361
Likes: 19
See this blog entry on posture for example:
https://www.trainingbible.com/joesblo...e-posture.html
There's more out there but I don't have the time to do the Googling right now.
Realy? How interesting.
Oh, and people, please, stop feeding UCIMBZ. He's trolling you.
https://www.trainingbible.com/joesblo...e-posture.html
There's more out there but I don't have the time to do the Googling right now.
Oh, and people, please, stop feeding UCIMBZ. He's trolling you.
Last edited by Fiery; 08-09-12 at 05:23 AM.
08-09-12 | 09:39 AM
#95
Banned
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,419
Likes: 1
Perhapse you would like to explain bike fit to this guy. He is clearly doing it all wrong.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/...om-colnago-c59
https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/...om-colnago-c59
https://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...t-flies_230060
08-09-12 | 09:45 AM
#96
Senior Member
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 6,411
Likes: 13
From: Haunchyville
That is what I mean when I say poor judgement. Poor Tommy Voeckler has come so close to win races but failed due to his poor choices specially when it comes to stems. On the other hand this guy with 140mm stem has won every race he has entered to:
https://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...t-flies_230060
https://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...t-flies_230060
08-09-12 | 09:42 PM
#97
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,204
Likes: 1
Bikes: Colnago C59 Italia Di2
That is what I mean when I say poor judgement. Poor Tommy Voeckler has come so close to win races but failed due to his poor choices specially when it comes to stems. On the other hand this guy with 140mm stem has won every race he has entered to:
https://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...t-flies_230060
https://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...t-flies_230060
Please at least investigate therapy, you could really benefit.
08-09-12 | 10:09 PM
#98
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,204
Likes: 1
Bikes: Colnago C59 Italia Di2
See this blog entry on posture for example:
https://www.trainingbible.com/joesblo...e-posture.html
There's more out there but I don't have the time to do the Googling right now.
Realy? How interesting.
Oh, and people, please, stop feeding UCIMBZ. He's trolling you.
https://www.trainingbible.com/joesblo...e-posture.html
There's more out there but I don't have the time to do the Googling right now.
Realy? How interesting.
Oh, and people, please, stop feeding UCIMBZ. He's trolling you.
Thank goodness for google, it takes about 30 seconds to disprove almost every "fact" they have ever posted
08-10-12 | 11:18 AM
#99
Banned
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,419
Likes: 1
I refer you to post #93 above. Im serious, you clearly have difficulties and issues which could be helped by professional therepists. I really think they could help you come to terms with your difficulties and live a more normal and reasonable life. Voeckler doesn't have poor judgement, you do. And Wiggins is an EXCELLENT rider, but he certainly hasn't won EVERYTHING he has entered. No one does that.
Please at least investigate therapy, you could really benefit.
Please at least investigate therapy, you could really benefit.
I realize that but I had nothing better to do. Him and campag are both Trolls. Either that or they really truly think they are something special and the world should revolve around them. They have ideas and then make up evidence to support them. I call it dribbling becasue its the sort of stuff that comes froma childs mouth.
Thank goodness for google, it takes about 30 seconds to disprove almost every "fact" they have ever posted
Thank goodness for google, it takes about 30 seconds to disprove almost every "fact" they have ever posted
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Pamtivek
Fitting Your Bike
28
11-05-13 03:10 PM
