I am a proud owner of HplusSon SL42's laced to tiagra hubs. They are the most responsive, most comfortable wheelset I have ever ridden. I also beat the hell out of them on a daily basis. lol

http://www.pedalroom.com/p/1988-nish...000-4151_1.jpg


aaaaaaaaaand I've raced them...successfully :)

Pretty much what I was thinking^^^^I like it!
How much do you weigh?

I have weighed anywhere from my current 220lbs up to 285lbs during my ownership.

1) on who's scale? Published weight for the rims is 615 grams. So that's 1230. Shimano's tech literature puts the Tiagra rear hub at 426, and the front at 212. 64 spokes a 5 grams each, and 1 for the nipple (which is a reasonable estimate not know ing your spokes) gets you to 2230.

Which gets me back to the wheels are a fashion statement (and they look really nice in that pic.)

2) as for racing, it's the motor that matters.

ahhh
seems my memory is a bit fuzzy lol
edited post for accuracy

They are still help make up what has been a great riding wheel for myself. Sure, they look good by some peoples standard, but I dont see how that makes them soley a fashion statement. It's a solid option at the pricepoint. I tend to opt for this wheelset over my kinlin xr270 wheelset even on a day when I'm expecting hills.

What makes them unreasonable, IMHO, for most applications is the combination of 40mm depth, 32 spoke count, and 615 grams. At 285lbs, I can see wanting something that robust.

The OP at 145lbs that's gross overkill.

As for your Kinlin xr270's, what spoke count are they? low spoke count and I could see a larger rider wanting something more robust.

But even if the xr 270 is not stiff enough, there are a lot of options that still build up a wheelset 300 grams lighter than the Son's, such as XR 300's.

Our Rolf tandem wheels are 400 grams lighter than those wheels.

I just want to say two things...first, that I *totally* agree with Merlinxtralight's assessments and appreciate his candor, and that Blackbullet's wheels look super-HOT! They are, indeed, a fashion statement!

(whoops, was that 3 things!)

At your weight a 1500-1700 gram wheelset is going to be plenty rugged. I'd try the Archetypes if you want to stick with H+Son.

The heaviest, stiffest wheels I ever built were 36h Miche high flange track hubs laced to Deep V's. Total overkill for my 175ish pounds. They were real jackhammers on rough streets on a track bike with 23mm tires. Very glad to be rid of them.

I should also be a bit more careful (as usual).

Angular momentum isn't huge on a bicycle, but it does exist. A heavier wheel will take more torque to change it's direction and you might feel this as more or less responsive. If you're really sprinting on a bike where when seen from behind the bike is wobbling all over the place, this could be affected by the angular momentum as well.

So, there. I gave you some scientific mumbo-jumbo justification for what you've experienced. I've got absolutely no idea if for the weight differences you've given me, if this is enough to be felt or not.

Everybody confused yet?

I believe you make it more confusing. Technically change in direction isn't relevant. Acceleration of a heavier wheel takes longer for the same torque applied. Merlin said it quite well as he generally does.

I'm kinda scratching my head over how you can consider a wheel like that 'comfortable'.

if you're gonna build a wheelset with 32 F/R, then you better build it for strength, since it ain;t gonna be light... then maybe sell them to some 220+ lber...
32h dura aces hubs aside, for your weight you should be able to have a nice set of wheels built in 20/24, nicely much lighter (400+ g lighter, which is a lb of weight) than the 32H stuff and still pound on them for lots of years...
and still have the groovy deep rims...
honestly anything you might run over which might seriously damage a decent light wheelset, by nature will do the same to a 32h set.
a well-built wheelset is not gonna cave in just because you knock a pothole, unless there's a major flaw in the rim (which you proly wouldn't detect anyway) or the wheel has already shown a need for wheel builder attention.
come into the modern world with the whole foot, not just a toe...
do something else with the DA hubs... ebay, soapbox derby... sell em to a Clyde

Did you see the road surface in the pic? Glass smooth! If his roads are all like that, then I can definitely understand!

At 145 lbs, I'd venture to say the OP could run 16/20 with the H Plus Son rims if he can find a good wheelbuilder.

But dang those are heavy. I'm over 200 lbs and I use 32h DT Swiss RR585s on the rear wheels I ride for training (and yes, I can FEEL the weight difference) and I thought those were boat anchors. The H Plus Son's are battleship anchors.

As a pure fashion statement, great. They do look wonderful.

But day-um, at 42 mm they're not even really all that aero. At 145 lbs, just get something like this if you want aero:

http://www.novemberbicycles.com/rfsc-58s/

And this if you don't:

http://www.novemberbicycles.com/fsw-23/