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bigfred 01-22-13 06:54 PM

Which model stems stiffest?
 
It's time to upgrade my ancient ride to a 31.8 bar. And with that will be a new stem.

I'm a big guy and torque on things pretty hard as well as requiring a 120-140mm lenght (depending on bar reach).

Which stems are known to be stiffere than the rest? Preferably alu. As, I don't think I'll be spending on carbon at the moment.

Any limp pieces of spaghetti I should avoid?

Who's got the stiffest alloy stem going?

I <3 Robots 01-22-13 07:22 PM

Check what the pro sprinters are using. Deda 35 (requires the 35mm bar too) is what Greipel is currently using.

Stiffest may be a carbon one. Shimano Cavendish stem or the Zipp 145 (which Cav is using now)

escarpment 01-22-13 09:58 PM

ehh, a stem is a stem is a stem.

kato7997 01-22-13 10:20 PM

When not using custom carbon, Chis Hoy uses a 3T 4GXL. He's a big boy.

BigJeff 01-22-13 10:28 PM

How much weight are you putting on your bars?

MuppetMower 01-22-13 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by escarpment (Post 15187778)
ehh, a stem is a stem is a stem.

No. especially when they are 120-140mm.

Do you have a specific price range? Is there much of a used market where you live? I've picked up some nice stems for really cheap on craigslist.

Hapsmo911 01-22-13 11:33 PM

Ritchey c260 is a good solid stem.

escarpment 01-23-13 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by MuppetMower (Post 15187993)
No. especially when they are 120-140mm.

Do you have a specific price range? Is there much of a used market where you live? I've picked up some nice stems for really cheap on craigslist.

true, but aside from length. they all do the same thing. The difference between steel, AL, Ti, Carbon. etc. Is 99% weight. I mean I could get into a convoluted explanation of the history of stems and the many different configurations of stem and handlebar. But 3 people have recommended 4 different stems. I have a deda magic, feels the same as a 3t, specialized, easton, and fsa stems I have used.

gregf83 01-23-13 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by MuppetMower (Post 15187993)
No. especially when they are 120-140mm.

Do you have a specific price range? Is there much of a used market where you live? I've picked up some nice stems for really cheap on craigslist.

What effect, other than 'feel', does stem stiffness have? I can't imagine it affecting how much force you can put down on the pedals. There can't be that much deflection in a stem.

ultraman6970 01-23-13 01:34 PM

If you want something just super stiff try to find a kuota katch stem and handlebars. Those are standard equipment for the kuota KOM, you wont get stiffer than those two IMO.

I have that set and the thing is just insanely stiff.

garysol1 01-23-13 02:14 PM

i like my Thomson stem. Its plenty stiff and plenty light and has very nice finishing machine work and looks excellent with a matching seatpost.

rkwaki 01-23-13 02:58 PM

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I am a beast and this is what I use in a 120mm:
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=295119


I also have a Deda Zero in a 140 but it is nowhere near as stiff :)

youcoming 01-23-13 04:56 PM

I can't tell the difference in any stem I've ever had, maybe mine are all just crappy. Pick one you like the look of and can afford.

pdedes 01-23-13 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by rkwaki (Post 15190186)
I am a beast and this is what I use in a 120mm:
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=295119


I also have a Deda Zero in a 140 but it is nowhere near as stiff :)

Cavendish used to use the provibe. I'm sure it's stiff enough for the op.

bigfred 01-23-13 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by I <3 Robots (Post 15187189)
Check what the pro sprinters are using. Deda 35 (requires the 35mm bar too) is what Greipel is currently using.

Stiffest may be a carbon one. Shimano Cavendish stem or the Zipp 145 (which Cav is using now)


Originally Posted by rkwaki (Post 15190186)
I am a beast and this is what I use in a 120mm:
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=295119


I also have a Deda Zero in a 140 but it is nowhere near as stiff :)


Originally Posted by pdedes (Post 15190890)
Cavendish used to use the provibe. I'm sure it's stiff enough for the op.

If cost were no object the Pro Vibe or Zipp SL145 would be the no brainer solution. But, it's a decade old bike I'm trying to eak a little more time out of before I buy the next "last bike". So, carbon is not in the upgrade budget.

bigfred 01-23-13 09:30 PM

And, the Deda 35 is out, because I would like to stick to the 31.8 dia. standard for the greater selection of potential bars.

bigfred 01-23-13 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by BigJeff (Post 15187863)
How much weight are you putting on your bars?


Originally Posted by MuppetMower (Post 15187993)
No. especially when they are 120-140mm.

Do you have a specific price range? Is there much of a used market where you live? I've picked up some nice stems for really cheap on craigslist.


Originally Posted by escarpment (Post 15189791)
true, but aside from length. they all do the same thing. The difference between steel, AL, Ti, Carbon. etc. Is 99% weight. I mean I could get into a convoluted explanation of the history of stems and the many different configurations of stem and handlebar. But 3 people have recommended 4 different stems. I have a deda magic, feels the same as a 3t, specialized, easton, and fsa stems I have used.


Originally Posted by gregf83 (Post 15189822)
What effect, other than 'feel', does stem stiffness have? I can't imagine it affecting how much force you can put down on the pedals. There can't be that much deflection in a stem.


Originally Posted by youcoming (Post 15190617)
I can't tell the difference in any stem I've ever had, maybe mine are all just crappy. Pick one you like the look of and can afford.

To those of you who can't tell the difference between stems, don't bother responding then. Simple enough, right?

The issue is not weight on the bars, it's leverage during standing sprints while in the drops. Something I'm just starting to refamilliarize myself with. I've ended up in a few lately and the amount of bar flex I experienced was concerning to say the least. The stem is only half of the equation, the bars are the other. But, the feeling of ones bars moving in a manner that differs from that of the frame will one, eventually lead to something breaking, two, result in a loss of power to the cranks and three, contribute to less than predictable steering.

Those of you who are lucky enough to be so light as to not need to worry about such issues are furtunate.

bigfred 01-23-13 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by kato7997 (Post 15187840)
When not using custom carbon, Chis Hoy uses a 3T 4GXL. He's a big boy.


Originally Posted by Hapsmo911 (Post 15188004)
Ritchey c260 is a good solid stem.


Originally Posted by garysol1 (Post 15189995)
i like my Thomson stem. Its plenty stiff and plenty light and has very nice finishing machine work and looks excellent with a matching seatpost.

I find 3T 4gxl bars, but, the stems appear to be as rare as hens teeth. And, while cheap is good, I can spend a little more than that.

Ritchey c260 was already on my list and appears to be a good contender.

I have a Thomson post on the bike already. I would probably go with an X4, for the 4 bolt face and increased stack height. But, they're only available in 10deg or 0. I would prefer a 6deg.

So far, it appears that Ritchey C260 is leading the way with only two votes (mine and Hapsmo).

Does anyone have any experience with 3T ARX's? That was the other on my personal list of possibilities.

Beaker 01-23-13 09:50 PM

Honestly, I'd imagine that the bars are a better place to focus - way more flex possible due to the moment around the stem/steerer.

eja_ bottecchia 01-23-13 10:01 PM

I use Deda Zero Nero on my Colnago and my Bianchi with Deda Presa handlebars. Both are stiff and work well together.

http://www.dedaelementi.com/index.ph...mid=89&lang=en

bigfred 01-23-13 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by Beaker (Post 15191769)
Honestly, I'd imagine that the bars are a better place to focus - way more flex possible due to the moment around the stem/steerer.

Bars are next. But, not as interested in public input on them. Hand position/fit are far more important. I tried anatomical bars many years ago and didn't like them. But, didn't try more than a couple shapes before going back to classic drops. It's time to try anatomical again. The flex is what pushed me over the edge.

Those with sharp angles to the drops definately don't work for me. But, a progressive curve may. I've got a pair of 3T Ergonova's in the garage ready to be mounted up in the new stem once that's decided on. There are also a few other pairs hanging in various mate's garages for me to trial, if I so desire. With regard to bars, I'm imaging it will be a process of finding the favorite shape, then deciding which model from that manufacturer is stiffest.

jrennie 01-23-13 10:21 PM

EA70 stuff is pretty cheap and plenty stiff.

oldbobcat 01-23-13 11:21 PM

A few months ago Velo News published a comparison test of stems and handlebars for stiffness and actual (as opposed to advertised) weight. As I remember, the carbon sets were generally not as stiff as aluminum and the Ritchey WCS sets were stiffer than most and weighed in at the lighter end of the range. The C260 wasn't in the test. 3T was a bit lower down, as was another popular stem, the FSA OS-99. I vote for the Ritchey C260, too.

sbxx1985 01-24-13 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by oldbobcat (Post 15191969)
3T was a bit lower down, as was another popular stem, the FSA OS-99.

I have the OS-99 CSI. It's light, looks nice, but not very stiff in 120mm. On the upside, the FSA stuff is relatively inexpensive.

Brian Ratliff 01-24-13 12:41 PM

I have Thomsons on most my race bikes. Best stem for the money, IMO; fairly light and very stiff. They come in a large variety of lengths and angles as well, which is important to me.


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