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SRAM Rival to Red: Would I notice?

Old 05-16-13, 12:45 PM
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SRAM Rival to Red: Would I notice?

My "search" is wonky right now so sorry if this has been covered. I have 2011 Rival on my Cervelo RS, with an Ultegra compact crankset. It's good except that there is a little chain rubbing in the smallest 2-3 sprockets and the largest 2, when cross-chaining. And not every shift is perfect. I'm wondering if changing to red shifters and/or derailleurs would come with noticeable improvements. I care nothing about the weight savings–I could lose much more than that by dieting.
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Weight savings mainly (your shifters will never go on a french fry binge), a big price tag, and questionable front shifting.
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Old 05-16-13, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by profjmb View Post
And not every shift is perfect.
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and questionable front shifting.
Yes, because it's so perfect now...

Maybe your FD limit screws are set too close together? I can't imagine that there's different spacing between chainrings for ultegra or rival/red so I'll just eliminate that train of thought.

I'm not familiar with 2011 rival but does it have trim for either of the chainrings? My vintage 2010 Red shifters have trim on the large chainring only but I never had to use it - I only got a little rub when in small/small and silence when I occasionally did big/big. I have the new Yaw FD and that has eliminated any cross chaining noise.

You can use the new Yaw FD with your current shifters but if you upgrade to the new Red shifters you'd need to update your cranks & FD as well. There's no trim setting on the new shifters.

I'd still look into tweaking your current set up before throwing money at it.
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Old 05-16-13, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
...and questionable front shifting.
Perhaps true with the Red Ti caged FD. Steel cage Red FD will be no different than Rival or Force. New Red YAW FD will be somewhat superior. Not earth-shattering though.

RD: no diff. Shifters: only less free travel of the paddle before it engages (zero loss). Not that important as far as I'm concerned.
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I doubt you would notice any difference other than appearance. Both are noisy and rough.

Red is lighter, but I doubt that you would notice the difference when riding.
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My old bike has 2010 Rival, and my new bike has New Red with the yaw front derailleur. Front shifting is slightly improved with new red. Rear shifting is slightly faster due to the zero loss.

Both work good.
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SRAM is crap in my opinion

Does this ****, smell better than that ****?
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SRAM is crap in my opinion

Does this ****, smell better than that ****?
We get it. You don't like SRAM. Put your dick back in your pants.
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Old 05-16-13, 05:55 PM
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We get it. You don't like SRAM. Put your dick back in your pants.
+1
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Cervelo RS is too nice of a bike not to have good shifting.
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No reason the Rival can't be optimized and most of the issues fixed. It's damn good stuff.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Weight savings mainly (your shifters will never go on a french fry binge), a big price tag, and questionable front shifting.
Correct. New red dos s not havd a trim position. You would also need to upgrade the front derailleur to the new yaw
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To put it into perspective, I went from 2012 Force to 2013 Force. The addition of Zero Loss made it feel like a completely different groupset.

Will you notice going from 2011 Rival to 2013 Red? Not even a question. Absolutely.
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We get it. You don't like SRAM. Put your dick back in your pants.
You have your opinion, I have mine.

I'm sorry that you have problems hearing other's opinions.
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Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht View Post
You have your opinion, I have mine.

I'm sorry that you have problems hearing other's opinions.

First you stated your opinion, you didn't get a reaction, so you then repeated it in an insulting manner.
And here I am giving you what you wanted.


Now, please, tell me about your Campy?
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Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht View Post
I am here auditioning for the role of attention-whoring contrarian. This will be my only "contribution".
congratulations. you got the part.
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Another classic BF thread.
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i have force, its the in between grouppo, it's light but not as expensive as red. My bike came with force though so in a few years when i'm ready to financially upgrade, i'll get red
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****, pass me that popcorn, please kenji, would you?
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I find shifting performance usually a setup or maintenance issue regardless of whether it was Red or Rival.
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Originally Posted by Nagrom_ View Post
First you stated your opinion, you didn't get a reaction, so you then repeated it in an insulting manner.
How was my second comment insulting?

If you are insulted by my comments on SRAM, you have some major issues.


"Oh Nose! Someone on the internets doesn't agree with me."
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with the price of the current Red being EQUAL to Di2 then there's no reason to go Red unless you're really a SRAM fanboy.

before a smart ass tries to prove me wrong: check the prices online.

-SRAM user
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Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht View Post
How was my second comment insulting?

If you are insulted by my comments on SRAM, you have some major issues.


"Oh Nose! Someone on the internets doesn't agree with me."
Blah, blah, blah....
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Why do all of the top of the line grupos look so ugly? SRAM Red is ugly. Shimano Dura Ace is ugly. None of these cranksets would look good on a beautiful steel frame IMO, like Cielo/Co-Motion. Seems like these are designed primarily for carbon bikes.

The Campy Records look nice, not as space-age looking. The Athenas look amazing on steel frames
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Originally Posted by thechemist View Post
I find shifting performance usually a setup or maintenance issue regardless of whether it was Red or Rival.
Exactly....and having someone that takes the time to tune it perfectly is the trick!
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