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xfimpg 05-27-13 08:49 PM

Flo 30 wheelset anyone?
 
Anyone purchased a Flo 30 wheelset? Opinions welcome.

canam73 05-27-13 08:57 PM

Are they even available yet?

xfimpg 05-27-13 09:00 PM

Yes, approximately 400+ were sold in "pre-order 5". I'd be real curious to hear feedback.

xfimpg 05-27-13 09:03 PM

I found this review, but would like to hear from the members here.

http://aerogeeks.com/2013/04/11/flo-...30-first-ride/

Grimani 05-27-13 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by xfimpg (Post 15674341)
Yes, approximately 400+ were sold in "pre-order 5". I'd be real curious to hear feedback.

Pretty sure that isn't the case:
http://flocycling.blogspot.com/2013/...-thursday.html

Bah Humbug 05-27-13 09:58 PM

Yeah, no Flo 30s are available yet. They still show as "coming soon" in their store.

canam73 05-28-13 12:08 AM


Originally Posted by xfimpg (Post 15674341)
Yes, approximately 400+ were sold in "pre-order 5". I'd be real curious to hear feedback.

Per Grimani's link:

  • The FLO 30 will not be part of Pre-Order 5. We anticipate limited sets being available during Pre Order 6.

xfimpg 05-28-13 06:23 AM

Bummer.
Ok thanks guys.

Bah Humbug 05-28-13 07:00 AM

Also, Flo gets very little love over here; I guess they're too far down the aero over weight road for this crowd. When the 30s are available, Slowtwitch will have much more about them.

canam73 05-28-13 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 15675263)
I guess they're too far down the aero over weight road for this crowd.

We are dumb that way.

Bah Humbug 05-28-13 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by canam73 (Post 15675289)
We are dumb that way.

To be fair, roadies also have different design objectives from triathletes.

island rider 05-28-13 07:37 AM

I think I'm playing into the hand here, but how is a 1500 gram clincher wheelset a climbing wheel?

Bah Humbug 05-28-13 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by island rider (Post 15675410)
I think I'm playing into the hand here, but how is a 1500 gram clincher wheelset a climbing wheel?

Compared to their much heavier aero wheels...

island rider 05-28-13 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 15675416)
Compared to their much heavier aero wheels...

That makes sense.

Walter 05-28-13 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by island rider (Post 15675410)
I think I'm playing into the hand here, but how is a 1500 gram clincher wheelset a climbing wheel?

I was thinking the same thing, esp. when the review said that Flo had corrected the reviewers earlier 1600 gram weight.


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 15675416)
Compared to their much heavier aero wheels...

Oh


Originally Posted by island rider (Post 15675566)
That makes sense.

To me as well.

I don't have to worry much about climbing though. :)

Bob Dopolina 05-28-13 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by island rider (Post 15675410)
I think I'm playing into the hand here, but how is a 1500 gram clincher wheelset a climbing wheel?

It's not. At 30mm it also isn't really an aero wheel set either.

I really don't understand this wheel set. You could build an alloy wheel set with as much aero as these, at the same weight, for a fraction of the cost.

These wheels make no sense...

Edit: to me, the dumbass.

canam73 05-28-13 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 15675408)
To be fair, roadies also have different design objectives from triathletes.

Correct.

But I roadies also tend to favor weight savings over all else even in situations where there is not evidence to support it's value over compromises to aerodynamics or durability. I'm sure it has a lot to do with the tangibility of knowing exactly how many grams you've shaved vs. not having consistent data on lifespan and failure rates or having to think about yaw angles. That and imagining that they will encounter situations similar to what is described in marketing hype.

Bah Humbug 05-28-13 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina (Post 15675852)
It's not. At 30mm it also isn't really an aero wheel set either.

I really don't understand this wheel set. You could build an alloy wheel set with as much aero as these, at the same weight, for a fraction of the cost.

These wheels make no sense.

Are you certain of that? These look, to me, like Zipp 101s at half-off. The depth and angled brake track are spot-on. They're not as aero as deep carbon wheels, certainly, but they're likely better than the Belgium and XC279.

Bah Humbug 05-28-13 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by canam73 (Post 15675943)
Correct.

But I roadies also tend to favor weight savings over all else even in situations where there is not evidence to support it's value over compromises to aerodynamics or durability. I'm sure it has a lot to do with the tangibility of knowing exactly how many grams you've shaved vs. not having consistent data on lifespan and failure rates or having to think about yaw angles. That and imagining that they will encounter situations similar to what is described in marketing hype.

Roadies also tend (many of them, anyway) to define rides by the climbing. Tri courses are typically mostly flat, and since you're always coming back to transition, weight spent on aero is worth it since you care about total time. The climbers (in what I read) only care how fast they get up the mountain, and aero helping their speed down the other side isn't helpful.

gregf83 05-28-13 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina (Post 15675852)
It's not. At 30mm it also isn't really an aero wheel set either.

I really don't understand this wheel set. You could build an alloy wheel set with as much aero as these, at the same weight, for a fraction of the cost.

These wheels make no sense.

They're targeting under $500 for the set. What alloy set with similar performance can you get for that price?

The performance of the Flo 30s with GP4000s tires isn't that far off the Flo 60s (which are comparable to zipp 404s) at low yaw angles.
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...d=319724&stc=1

ls01 05-28-13 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by island rider (Post 15675566)
That makes sense.

Not really.

canam73 05-28-13 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 15675986)
Roadies also tend (many of them, anyway) to define rides by the climbing. Tri courses are typically mostly flat, and since you're always coming back to transition, weight spent on aero is worth it since you care about total time. The climbers (in what I read) only care how fast they get up the mountain, and aero helping their speed down the other side isn't helpful.

Yeah, I know all that.

I am saying that these same climbing roadies often over estimate the difference loosing a few hundred grams makes and then end up here wondering how to fix a creaking skewer or some other stupid wheel problem.

Bah Humbug 05-28-13 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by canam73 (Post 15676549)
Yeah, I know all that.

I am saying that these same climbing roadies often over estimate the difference loosing a few hundred grams makes and then end up here wondering how to fix a creaking skewer or some other stupid wheel problem.

Well sure. I'm not a weight weenie myself. I'm just saying, those climbing roadies are the reason Flo gets almost no attention on BF but is much-ballyhooed on ST.

island rider 05-28-13 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by ls01 (Post 15676524)
Not really.

Sure it does. If it is the most suited to climbing in their lineup, it makes sense that they would refer to it in that way. The alternative being that they simply let that portion of the market go elsewhere.

Bah Humbug 05-28-13 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by island rider (Post 15676581)
Sure it does. If it is the most suited to climbing in their lineup, it makes sense that they would refer to it in that way. The alternative being that they simply let that portion of the market go elsewhere.

If they didn't highlight climbing for the 30, they'd have to think of another reason to get people to buy it. And that'd be something like, like Flo fo' the po'.


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