Strava question
07-30-13 | 10:25 AM
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07-30-13 | 10:31 AM
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It's about having fun guys, if you're stressing over someone posting a segment on a downhill, you're doing it wrong.
That said, I will complain about the people that layer segments over one another. One very small climb near me has 4-5 segments going up it, most measuring close to the same distance. Really not all that necessary.
That said, I will complain about the people that layer segments over one another. One very small climb near me has 4-5 segments going up it, most measuring close to the same distance. Really not all that necessary.
07-30-13 | 10:38 AM
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07-30-13 | 10:49 AM
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Who cares if it requires skill or balls? It is certainly something to learn if you are trying to win a race, but none of this strava stuff should be equated to winning a race. Making a contest out of descending some KOM segment on Strava on open roads is inviting disaster. My prediction is that Strava pulls the ability to make segments when the grade is in the negative because they get sued and lose the case...for good reason.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
Regardless of whether Strava exists, many riders will try and go fast on descents as it can be fun. You don't have to enjoy going fast and that's fine but some do.
07-30-13 | 10:59 AM
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"You're just using gravity to slow other riders with higher body weight down''
Since it's the same hill, everyone gets the same assistance from gravity, therefore leveling the field. If you're going to start talking about heavier riders, again I can point to the uphills and say the same.
If it were that easy you would have all of the downhill KOM's.
07-30-13 | 11:19 AM
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It's always some kind of newb cyclist who hate on Strava. If you think Strava makes dangerous riders, you really haven't ridden enough.
Before Strava, there are plenty of wreckless and dangerous riders, most of which are racers. The typical amateur noob would stop at red lights. Most of the racers I rode with in Cali would blow lights and stop signs without even twitching. They would look both ways but they would only stop if cars were approaching. PRE STRAVA.
Lets fast forward to real racing and training. What the hell do you think racers have to do to get a 20min FTP test in? It's called dangerous riding. Is Strava involved? NO.
If you are gonna tell me that a 15min effort up a climb or a 2 minute descend is more dangerous than a 20min or 60min FTP test on the road then I know you're trolling or mentally challenged.
Before Strava, there are plenty of wreckless and dangerous riders, most of which are racers. The typical amateur noob would stop at red lights. Most of the racers I rode with in Cali would blow lights and stop signs without even twitching. They would look both ways but they would only stop if cars were approaching. PRE STRAVA.
Lets fast forward to real racing and training. What the hell do you think racers have to do to get a 20min FTP test in? It's called dangerous riding. Is Strava involved? NO.
If you are gonna tell me that a 15min effort up a climb or a 2 minute descend is more dangerous than a 20min or 60min FTP test on the road then I know you're trolling or mentally challenged.
07-30-13 | 11:29 AM
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Any segment up or downhill can be dangerous and Strava has a mechanism to mark any segment as such. In that case there is no leaderboard and no KOMs. If a descent has a leaderboard then evidently no one who has ridden it deemed it dangerous enough to flag.
Regardless of whether Strava exists, many riders will try and go fast on descents as it can be fun. You don't have to enjoy going fast and that's fine but some do.
Regardless of whether Strava exists, many riders will try and go fast on descents as it can be fun. You don't have to enjoy going fast and that's fine but some do.
This segment is ineligible for a segment goal because it has an average downhill grade of less than -0.25%.
07-30-13 | 11:32 AM
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07-30-13 | 11:35 AM
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07-30-13 | 11:45 AM
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Doesn't matter though. I'm still sticking with my prediction. I bet in the future you won't be able to segment a downhill.
07-30-13 | 11:54 AM
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That cyclist was convicted in a criminal trial. The family is also suing the cyclist in civil court but I don't think Strava is involved.
07-30-13 | 11:56 AM
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FTP+ of 20 mins on open roads vs. sprinting up a hill for 5 minutes. One is done by racers, the other by amateurs. I want to honestly hear about you think the Strava KOM is more dangerous than doing a 20mins threshhold test.
07-30-13 | 12:39 PM
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Being a racer doesn't stop you from being an amateur.
07-30-13 | 12:45 PM
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07-30-13 | 12:57 PM
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It's always some kind of newb cyclist who hate on Strava. If you think Strava makes dangerous riders, you really haven't ridden enough.
Before Strava, there are plenty of wreckless and dangerous riders, most of which are racers. The typical amateur noob would stop at red lights. Most of the racers I rode with in Cali would blow lights and stop signs without even twitching. They would look both ways but they would only stop if cars were approaching. PRE STRAVA.
Lets fast forward to real racing and training. What the hell do you think racers have to do to get a 20min FTP test in? It's called dangerous riding. Is Strava involved? NO.
If you are gonna tell me that a 15min effort up a climb or a 2 minute descend is more dangerous than a 20min or 60min FTP test on the road then I know you're trolling or mentally challenged.
Before Strava, there are plenty of wreckless and dangerous riders, most of which are racers. The typical amateur noob would stop at red lights. Most of the racers I rode with in Cali would blow lights and stop signs without even twitching. They would look both ways but they would only stop if cars were approaching. PRE STRAVA.
Lets fast forward to real racing and training. What the hell do you think racers have to do to get a 20min FTP test in? It's called dangerous riding. Is Strava involved? NO.
If you are gonna tell me that a 15min effort up a climb or a 2 minute descend is more dangerous than a 20min or 60min FTP test on the road then I know you're trolling or mentally challenged.
07-30-13 | 01:08 PM
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07-30-13 | 01:23 PM
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Alternatively, you could have a local KoM ride get dominated by a pro-race.
https://www.strava.com/segments/mt-di...hool-to-254731
Tour of California -- Stage 7. Most of the Top 10 times are from the same day. Nate English (#5) actually finished about 5th on that Stage, this is his time from a prior ride.
https://www.strava.com/segments/mt-di...hool-to-254731
Tour of California -- Stage 7. Most of the Top 10 times are from the same day. Nate English (#5) actually finished about 5th on that Stage, this is his time from a prior ride.
07-30-13 | 01:55 PM
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That's like a clydesdale saying the same thing about climbs.
"You're just using gravity to slow other riders with higher body weight down''
Since it's the same hill, everyone gets the same assistance from gravity, therefore leveling the field. If you're going to start talking about heavier riders, again I can point to the uphills and say the same.
If it were that easy you would have all of the downhill KOM's.
"You're just using gravity to slow other riders with higher body weight down''
Since it's the same hill, everyone gets the same assistance from gravity, therefore leveling the field. If you're going to start talking about heavier riders, again I can point to the uphills and say the same.
If it were that easy you would have all of the downhill KOM's.
I agree with you to a point, so while we're being relative (I am 10 lbs from a Clyde, yet my climbing is improving)... It comes down to this: What takes more endurance and energy and really, prowess - going up a mountain, or down it? Even in the Tour de France there is a jersey awarded to climbers. There is not one for descenders. No one approaches hills and says, "Whew. Thank GOD I get to climb now."I am so much closer to KOM's on descents than climbs. It's not even close.