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Old 09-17-13 | 09:24 AM
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I can't help but yank a few chains when folks from the south start talking about how hard winter riding is but do understand that everything is relative.

I can deal with -40 weather here (cold and dry) but put me in Portland in the winter when it is perpetually cold and damp and I freeze my ass off... I will wear almost the same gear there as I do here.

Put me out in the hot sun and I will burst into flames unless you cover me with SPF 25000.

I was just joking too. But I will admit that if it gets around 50, I prefer not to ride. Since I'm not willing to waste money on cold weather gear that will only get used a couple of times. The only cold weather gear I own is a pair of medium range arm and leg warmers. So they work up until ~60 degrees then it starts to get uncomfortable. My fingers, face, and feet freeze up and it's just not enjoyable anymore. At least for me who only experiences cold weather for a couple of days each year. 50 degrees for us feels a lot colder than 50 degrees for a northerner.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
A little while ago, there was a thread about how cycling is the toughest sport in the world and the people who do it are the ultimate bad asses. But most cyclists think they can't go outside if the temperature drops below 40 F.
It's not the temperature that bothers me in those conditions, it's the ice on the roads, the poor visibility outside of working hours at the times of year/latitudes where you get those temperatures, and the stupid drivers.
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Ugh. There's no way I could manage 5 hours on a trainer. 60' is a struggle for me.
^^this.

After about 10mins, I'm just lookin at the watch repeatedly.
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing
I used to think rides more than 30-45 minutes were unbearable on the trainer. At some point I started focusing on what I was feeling - much of the time, especially when I'm going hard, I have my eyes closed. I listen to music and think about contact points, form, etc. Suddenly my tolerance for long rides went up a lot.

Without loud music pushing me I find it difficult to ride hard. Movies/clips let me ride a while but I can't ride hard when I'm distracted like that. To wit - my last ride on the trainer I did 125w, 125bpm, mid 80s rpm. A hard ride for me might be 145w, 145bpm, 90-ish rpm.
This too, it's hard for me to keep the wattages up on the trainer like I can on the road. I can barely manage to average 130W on the trainer and it feels pretty HARD.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
A little while ago, there was a thread about how cycling is the toughest sport in the world and the people who do it are the ultimate bad asses. But most cyclists think they can't go outside if the temperature drops below 40 F.
Or if it's over 90 degrees. Or if it's raining. Or...

I'll have to look for this "ultimate bad asses" thread.
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Old 09-17-13 | 11:41 AM
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My friend was taken out by wild hogs at night in a group winter ride! Had hip surgery.
That bites!
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Old 09-17-13 | 11:54 AM
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My winter gear consists of zipping my jersey all the way up and maybe, maybe wearing arm warmers... of course I live in South Florida so I'll shut up
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Old 09-17-13 | 01:24 PM
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Ever heard of the Rockies? Visit Northern New Mexico in October-March and see if it feels like winter to ya...

average annual snowfall

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I'll see your New Mexico and raise you Colorado

average annual snowfall

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Burlington...out on the plains and not known for its extreme snowfall...gets more snow than Albuquerque. And Denver, with it's December average temperature of 43 F for a high and 17 F for a low, is shirt sleeve weather compared to that you find in Canukistan.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
I'll see your New Mexico and raise you Colorado

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Burlington...out on the plains and not known for its extreme snowfall...gets more snow than Albuquerque. And Denver, with it's December average temperature of 43 F for a high and 17 F for a low, is shirt sleeve weather compared to that you find in Canukistan.
There are parts of Canuckistan that are pretty nice in the winter... some even enjoy above freezing temperatures in the winter but I do don't live on one of those areas.

My wife and I plan to move to the interior of B.C. when the girls are older so we can enjoy balmier winter weather.
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Old 09-17-13 | 01:53 PM
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I'll see your New Mexico and raise you Colorado
Meh. The tree line in Colorado is around 11,000 feet, give or take. In Washington, it hovers around 5,000 to 6,000 feet. For Colorado to have a mountain as arctic as Mt Rainier, it would have to be 20,000 feet high.
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Old 09-17-13 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
A little while ago, there was a thread about how cycling is the toughest sport in the world and the people who do it are the ultimate bad asses. But most cyclists think they can't go outside if the temperature drops below 40 F.
Ha! yeah, I tend to ride the bike all year unless there is serious ice on the road. I do put on fenders and tend to ride slower usually carrying more weight. For some reason, I carry more weight on the bike in the winter.

The biggest problem with winter riding is not riding in the cold, it's riding in the dark. I prefer to ride when it is light out and when it is dark out here, you can't see anything. Too rural for street lights.


More than 5 hours on a trainer, spread out over a lifetime, is too much.
Yeah, I'm not doing 5 hours on a trainer. 1 or two...max. I do like riding to a good sufferfest video with some awesome music going. It makes the time go by and you do get quite a good workout.
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing
I used to think rides more than 30-45 minutes were unbearable on the trainer. At some point I started focusing on what I was feeling - much of the time, especially when I'm going hard, I have my eyes closed. I listen to music and think about contact points, form, etc. Suddenly my tolerance for long rides went up a lot.

Without loud music pushing me I find it difficult to ride hard. Movies/clips let me ride a while but I can't ride hard when I'm distracted like that. To wit - my last ride on the trainer I did 125w, 125bpm, mid 80s rpm. A hard ride for me might be 145w, 145bpm, 90-ish rpm.
This is the right stuff. The difference between top riders and the rest is that top riders pay attention. If you're not paying attention on the bike, take up golf or something. The wonderful thing about trainers and rollers is that you can put your entire attention into the bike and not be distracted by the road, other riders, etc. That's what trainers and rollers are for.

I do all three and have for many years, except that I don't just do spin classes at the gym, I also lift weights, work the climbers and various other equipment. Just choosing one option would be too boring and limited. Winter is the time for mixing it up. Do all the stuff you won't do in the summer because it cuts into your riding.
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Old 09-17-13 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
Meh. The tree line in Colorado is around 11,000 feet, give or take. In Washington, it hovers around 5,000 to 6,000 feet. For Colorado to have a mountain as arctic as Mt Rainier, it would have to be 20,000 feet high.
Sorry, buddy, I grew up in Washington. I won't say it doesn't snow up there (in the Cascades, not Seattle), but the temperatures are laughable. I don't think you ever have an excuse not to ride.
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I think you misunderstood. I ride all year wrong. And snowshoe and ski a bit. I'm not looking for excuses to stay off the bike.

But when you get into the Cascades out here, it makes Colorado look like a tropical paradise.
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Originally Posted by klooney
I have been contemplating a few ideas for winter training but can't seem to decide which route to go and would appreciate any advice. Below are the three options I'm looking at.

1. Purchase cold weather gear (due to school schedule I'll only be able to ride twice a week maybe 3x if I bike to work)
2. Purchase a membership or group of classes at a spin studio
3. Purchase a trainer (fluid)

I'm leaning towards purchasing a trainer so I can potentially put more time on the bike i.e. I can squeeze in a quick 30 minute workout when I have some downtime vs. gearing up, getting the bike ready, and going out for a ride. I can make a couple of spin classes a week before work but its a large money investment for a short return vs. a long return by purchasing a trainer.
All of the above.

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But when you get into the Cascades out here, it makes Colorado look like a tropical paradise.
I doubt that. Average January temperature for Denver (5280 feet) are 32F. Average January temperatures for Mt Rainer (assuming that the measure is at Paradise Valley also at around 5000 feet) is 29 F. Average January temperatures in Frisco, CO (9000 ft) is 17 F. Leadville (10500 feet) is also 17F. On the other hand, the record low temperature for Denver is -21F, Frisco is -41F and Leadville is -27 F. Paradise Valley's record low? -13F. Sure it might get colder higher up but the Pacific Northwest has the Pacific...a giant heat reservior...to the west that mitigates the temperatures somewhat. The Colorado mountains don't have that reservior and they tend to be on the recieving end of a river of cold air from Canada.

Temperature decreases pretty predictably with altitude. The temperature at 14000 feet undergoes some slight variations but the top of Rainer is going to be about the same temperature as Mt Evans if the conditions are similar. You aren't going to be able to climb Mt Evans in the dead of winter in shorts. They have similar clothing requirements for similar times of year.
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My winter training plan: Move to another state with no snow and good weather
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
I'll see your New Mexico and raise you Colorado

average annual snowfall

average december temps

Burlington...out on the plains and not known for its extreme snowfall...gets more snow than Albuquerque. And Denver, with it's December average temperature of 43 F for a high and 17 F for a low, is shirt sleeve weather compared to that you find in Canukistan.
I'll see your Colorado and raise you Erie, PA

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Originally Posted by klooney
I have been contemplating a few ideas for winter training but can't seem to decide which route to go and would appreciate any advice. Below are the three options I'm looking at.

1. Purchase cold weather gear (due to school schedule I'll only be able to ride twice a week maybe 3x if I bike to work)
2. Purchase a membership or group of classes at a spin studio
3. Purchase a trainer (fluid)

I'm leaning towards purchasing a trainer so I can potentially put more time on the bike i.e. I can squeeze in a quick 30 minute workout when I have some downtime vs. gearing up, getting the bike ready, and going out for a ride. I can make a couple of spin classes a week before work but its a large money investment for a short return vs. a long return by purchasing a trainer.
You just identified exactly the order of likelihood of you doing them.

Option 1 is the ONLY option you will be enjoying.
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There are some parts of winter where it is almost impossible to ride due to ice/snow. However, if it is just cold or rainy, I still prefer to just go outside and ride. I can do so pretty comfortably for all temperatures down to and just below the freezing point. Just make sure you have the right gear. This is important. Without the right gear, a fun training ride can turn into hell when the weather conditions are bad.

Gyms are just too expensive in my opinion. I have joined a gym last year to do some spinning and general exercise, but I still ended up going outside to do my exercise. Turns out I would still rather go jogging than sit inside some sweaty room in a gym. But to each their own. Spinning classes are alright though. I quite enjoyed them, which surprised me.
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Where do you live? If in Alaska get the trainer. Anywhere in the lower 48 get the cold weather gear. Cycling in the winter is fun, kind if like skiing at times but on quiet winter roads it's a blast bob and there is no ride more beautiful than a clear night with a full moon and snow covered fields.
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