Is this a reasonable punishment for getting a flat?
12-07-13 | 07:17 PM
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I love Starbucks rides. Ride 12-15 miles, socialize over coffee sitting on a patio, ride 12-15 miles. It is a nice tradition for holiday mornings and recovery rides.
But back to the price of coffee - we can get a bottomless cup less than $3 at a bagel shop or donut store and nobody is going to complain about it. It's more about the social aspects.
But back to the price of coffee - we can get a bottomless cup less than $3 at a bagel shop or donut store and nobody is going to complain about it. It's more about the social aspects.
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12-07-13 | 07:25 PM
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But, this thread has been very educational for me. I never realized how many stick in the mud, anti-social, kill joy, cyclists there really are. And, to all of you that have declared you would rather ride alone than participate in such group rides, great. Carry on doing just that. You probably wouldn't enjoy the light hearted laughter and commaradery of our groups.
If someone was a repeat offender with poor gear then they'd probably have less and less people stopping to help until no one stopped anymore. that would be far more incentive than buying people crap.
12-07-13 | 07:25 PM
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I'm not a big fan of Starbucks, but do enjoy a cup of coffee after a good ride with a group of friends. Nice way to finish, then get on with the day.
12-07-13 | 10:31 PM
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Waaaaaaaaaaa, these guys have a fun rule about buying coffee. It's not fair. This is why I don't ride with groups. Waaaaaaaaaaaa. Some of you guys would have hated the crew I hung out with back in the day. Any infraction, real or imagined, was met immediately with a hard to the body beatdown. We still love each other when we get the chance to get together.
12-07-13 | 10:54 PM
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Just a thought...someone may have a bike that cost say $4000 but since then financial circumstances have changed and they can't afford to buy a group of folks coffee. I ride with a large group and have a decent bike but am unemployed currently....I'd hate to have to stop riding with my friends for fear I might flat and be expected to pay for 15 coffees.
12-08-13 | 06:07 AM
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But, this thread has been very educational for me. I never realized how many stick in the mud, anti-social, kill joy, cyclists there really are. And, to all of you that have declared you would rather ride alone than participate in such group rides, great. Carry on doing just that. You probably wouldn't enjoy the light hearted laughter and commaradery of our groups.
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12-08-13 | 08:27 AM
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I usually carry a creme brûlée torch with me for getting the snow off my tires, but in this situation we could use it to burn a large "C" (for cheapskate) on the offender's forehead. There will be no repeat offenders.
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12-08-13 | 10:20 AM
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Just a thought...someone may have a bike that cost say $4000 but since then financial circumstances have changed and they can't afford to buy a group of folks coffee. I ride with a large group and have a decent bike but am unemployed currently....I'd hate to have to stop riding with my friends for fear I might flat and be expected to pay for 15 coffees.
12-08-13 | 11:11 AM
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+1 on not riding with that group unless it is really small. However, I have never gotten a flat on a training or group ride, so it would only affect me in that I'd get free coffee. But most groups I ride with are 20 or 30 people, and I wouldn't want to risk spending $100 on a flat.
However, one time I has GI issues and had to stop for an emergency bathroom. Embarrassing. Then later I pulled for like 20 minutes (for fun and to keep the pace up). But then on the same ride my rear derailleur cable broke. Felt pretty bad to have 2 issues on one ride. I would not have minded buying a round of coffee if that's where we ended up. Even though I already had the embarrassment penalty AND the finish the ride in my 12t cog penalty.
However, one time I has GI issues and had to stop for an emergency bathroom. Embarrassing. Then later I pulled for like 20 minutes (for fun and to keep the pace up). But then on the same ride my rear derailleur cable broke. Felt pretty bad to have 2 issues on one ride. I would not have minded buying a round of coffee if that's where we ended up. Even though I already had the embarrassment penalty AND the finish the ride in my 12t cog penalty.
12-08-13 | 11:22 AM
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Waaaaaaaaaaa, these guys have a fun rule about buying coffee. It's not fair. This is why I don't ride with groups. Waaaaaaaaaaaa. Some of you guys would have hated the crew I hung out with back in the day. Any infraction, real or imagined, was met immediately with a hard to the body beatdown. We still love each other when we get the chance to get together.
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12-08-13 | 12:29 PM
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12-08-13 | 04:39 PM
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Coming back from an injury a few weeks ago, I joined one of the slower groups that leaves from our local parking lot. Within 300m one of the riders flatted.
He had a hole directly in the center of the contact patch of his rear tire, through the cords. He admitted to having had a flat on that same tire earlier in the week.
His was about to simply place a patched tube in the tire and continue out on the ride.
I insisted he use a tire boot I keep in my kit and borrow a new tube. I informed him that I can typically get a couple houndred km out of a Park tire boot before its edges cut the tube and that he should install a new tire as soon as he gets home.
He was very happy to have completed the ride without further issue. And, didn't buy any coffee or anything for the few of us that stopped with him. Fair enough.
A couple weeks later I learned that he suffered another two flats on that obviously worn out tire, including one on another group ride, before finally replacing it with a new tire that he had in the garage all along.
The coffee rule is aimed at riders like him!
Most of us who participate in group rides enjoy both riding and the company of others. However, frequently sitting on the side of the road for the same few rides who insist on either not maintaining their equipment, or, using unsuitably light (paper thin racing tires) equipment is not fun or conducive to encouraging ourselves or others to continue to participate.
Hence, things like the Coffee Rule. As long as it's kept light hearted and fun there's little to no harm in such things. They, the little games/jokes/etc. add to the socialization and enjoyment of participation.
But, this thread has been very educational for me. I never realized how many stick in the mud, anti-social, kill joy, cyclists there really are. And, to all of you that have declared you would rather ride alone than participate in such group rides, great. Carry on doing just that. You probably wouldn't enjoy the light hearted laughter and commaradery of our groups.
He had a hole directly in the center of the contact patch of his rear tire, through the cords. He admitted to having had a flat on that same tire earlier in the week.
His was about to simply place a patched tube in the tire and continue out on the ride.
I insisted he use a tire boot I keep in my kit and borrow a new tube. I informed him that I can typically get a couple houndred km out of a Park tire boot before its edges cut the tube and that he should install a new tire as soon as he gets home.
He was very happy to have completed the ride without further issue. And, didn't buy any coffee or anything for the few of us that stopped with him. Fair enough.
A couple weeks later I learned that he suffered another two flats on that obviously worn out tire, including one on another group ride, before finally replacing it with a new tire that he had in the garage all along.
The coffee rule is aimed at riders like him!
Most of us who participate in group rides enjoy both riding and the company of others. However, frequently sitting on the side of the road for the same few rides who insist on either not maintaining their equipment, or, using unsuitably light (paper thin racing tires) equipment is not fun or conducive to encouraging ourselves or others to continue to participate.
Hence, things like the Coffee Rule. As long as it's kept light hearted and fun there's little to no harm in such things. They, the little games/jokes/etc. add to the socialization and enjoyment of participation.
But, this thread has been very educational for me. I never realized how many stick in the mud, anti-social, kill joy, cyclists there really are. And, to all of you that have declared you would rather ride alone than participate in such group rides, great. Carry on doing just that. You probably wouldn't enjoy the light hearted laughter and commaradery of our groups.
12-08-13 | 04:58 PM
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+1 on not riding with that group unless it is really small. However, I have never gotten a flat on a training or group ride, so it would only affect me in that I'd get free coffee. But most groups I ride with are 20 or 30 people, and I wouldn't want to risk spending $100 on a flat.
However, one time I has GI issues and had to stop for an emergency bathroom. Embarrassing. Then later I pulled for like 20 minutes (for fun and to keep the pace up). But then on the same ride my rear derailleur cable broke. Felt pretty bad to have 2 issues on one ride. I would not have minded buying a round of coffee if that's where we ended up. Even though I already had the embarrassment penalty AND the finish the ride in my 12t cog penalty.
However, one time I has GI issues and had to stop for an emergency bathroom. Embarrassing. Then later I pulled for like 20 minutes (for fun and to keep the pace up). But then on the same ride my rear derailleur cable broke. Felt pretty bad to have 2 issues on one ride. I would not have minded buying a round of coffee if that's where we ended up. Even though I already had the embarrassment penalty AND the finish the ride in my 12t cog penalty.
12-08-13 | 09:21 PM
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My favorite rule when I rode with a regular small group was that whoever was in front could take (or not take) any turn at any intersection. This made for some interesting rides to places we'd probably never go to by design.
After a while it led to some fun sprints, when some people really wanted to be in charge as we approached a turn, or even more fun when the group didn't want a particular person up front there.
As for flats, you were on your own for your first flat, and had better be able to deal with it. However friends would gladly help out if you were unlucky and had a second.
After a while it led to some fun sprints, when some people really wanted to be in charge as we approached a turn, or even more fun when the group didn't want a particular person up front there.
As for flats, you were on your own for your first flat, and had better be able to deal with it. However friends would gladly help out if you were unlucky and had a second.
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12-08-13 | 09:58 PM
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Eh, if I had to buy coffee for the whole group after a flat, I definitely wouldn't be interested in riding with that group. I bring along my own tools and etc to repair a flat. I think every cyclist should be self-proficient on every ride. Bring everything you might need to fix a common mechanical on your own bike.
That being said, I never hesitate to offer assistance, patches, a tube, or use of my pump to any fellow cyclist.
Why not make the rule that if a rider gets a flat, he fixes it himself. If he can catch back up to the group that didn't wait for him, everyone pitches in to buy HIM a coffee.
That solves everyone's problem. **Of course, it'd be awfully rude to leave behind a newbie in the event of a flat.
That being said, I never hesitate to offer assistance, patches, a tube, or use of my pump to any fellow cyclist.
Why not make the rule that if a rider gets a flat, he fixes it himself. If he can catch back up to the group that didn't wait for him, everyone pitches in to buy HIM a coffee.
That solves everyone's problem. **Of course, it'd be awfully rude to leave behind a newbie in the event of a flat.
12-09-13 | 02:12 AM
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My favorite rule when I rode with a regular small group was that whoever was in front could take (or not take) any turn at any intersection. This made for some interesting rides to places we'd probably never go to by design.
After a while it led to some fun sprints, when some people really wanted to be in charge as we approached a turn, or even more fun when the group didn't want a particular person up front there.
After a while it led to some fun sprints, when some people really wanted to be in charge as we approached a turn, or even more fun when the group didn't want a particular person up front there.
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12-09-13 | 03:49 AM
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My favorite rule when I rode with a regular small group was that whoever was in front could take (or not take) any turn at any intersection. This made for some interesting rides to places we'd probably never go to by design.
After a while it led to some fun sprints, when some people really wanted to be in charge as we approached a turn, or even more fun when the group didn't want a particular person up front there.
As for flats, you were on your own for your first flat, and had better be able to deal with it. However friends would gladly help out if you were unlucky and had a second.
After a while it led to some fun sprints, when some people really wanted to be in charge as we approached a turn, or even more fun when the group didn't want a particular person up front there.
As for flats, you were on your own for your first flat, and had better be able to deal with it. However friends would gladly help out if you were unlucky and had a second.
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12-09-13 | 01:36 PM
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Eh, if I had to buy coffee for the whole group after a flat, I definitely wouldn't be interested in riding with that group. I bring along my own tools and etc to repair a flat. I think every cyclist should be self-proficient on every ride. Bring everything you might need to fix a common mechanical on your own bike.
That being said, I never hesitate to offer assistance, patches, a tube, or use of my pump to any fellow cyclist.
Why not make the rule that if a rider gets a flat, he fixes it himself. If he can catch back up to the group that didn't wait for him, everyone pitches in to buy HIM a coffee.
That solves everyone's problem. **Of course, it'd be awfully rude to leave behind a newbie in the event of a flat.
That being said, I never hesitate to offer assistance, patches, a tube, or use of my pump to any fellow cyclist.
Why not make the rule that if a rider gets a flat, he fixes it himself. If he can catch back up to the group that didn't wait for him, everyone pitches in to buy HIM a coffee.
That solves everyone's problem. **Of course, it'd be awfully rude to leave behind a newbie in the event of a flat.
On drop rides/A ride (a few regroups), a flat is like a flat in a race. You are on your own for the rest of the day. Of course, I hope a new cyclist isn't doing those rides.
12-09-13 | 01:57 PM
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Part of it depends on the size of the group. Group of five friends, its a fine rule. Everyone knows their turn is going to come up. He already said someone usually picks up the tab anyway. This sort of thing works as long as you have the same group of riders and the overall cost is relatively low. I'd have no problem with the 2-3 people I usually ride with. At least among my friends, I could actually see someone volunteering out of turn (or intentionally riding over glass), just because that's how they are.
20+ people group ride, you've got random people showing up, unfairness, etc.
20+ people group ride, you've got random people showing up, unfairness, etc.
12-09-13 | 02:20 PM
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Sounds like a fun rule for a small group. My small group loves to harass and tease, but we all play a part. I think this would be a good rule to add for our group.
