Are you a Carbon snob?
01-13-14 | 07:21 PM
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01-13-14 | 08:53 PM
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I just bought my first carbon frame set after riding alu for my first 5 years of road cycling. We're encased in ice up here right now so I'll build it up over the winter. My only fear is that after dropping a bunch of money into it, I'll still prefer the ride of my alu bike.
(i can't get past feeling that i am riding a fancy pinata when i'm on the carbon one
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01-13-14 | 09:12 PM
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But I've also seen a carbon frame crack from a low speed crash when the rider landed on the frame.
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01-13-14 | 09:21 PM
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I will never buy a carbon frame, I would only buy steel or titanium, yes both are heavier than carbon but I don't care because both will last longer than carbon. If they went back to titanium lugs and bonded carbon tubes that could be replaced should a tube get damaged then I could understand the carbon idea a bit better. But for long life in all types of conditions titanium and steel are the best.
01-13-14 | 09:22 PM
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This may help. The entertaining pinkbike carbon frame destructive testing video ended with slamming a carbon frame into the corner of a concrete tool stand. Woah!
But I've also seen a carbon frame crack from a low speed crash when the rider landed on the frame.
But I've also seen a carbon frame crack from a low speed crash when the rider landed on the frame.
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01-13-14 | 09:24 PM
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I will never buy a carbon frame, I would only buy steel or titanium, yes both are heavier than carbon but I don't care because both will last longer than carbon. If they went back to titanium lugs and bonded carbon tubes that could be replaced should a tube get damaged then I could understand the carbon idea a bit better. But for long life in all types of conditions titanium and steel are the best.
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01-13-14 | 09:40 PM
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Person mentioned in this thread won the race... Obviously sponsored athletes are expected to promote the sponsor's product. But if the athlete wins with said product, that speaks for itself.
But as @caloso has mentioned, you can find plenty of anecdotes from other racers who wanted a more economical solution.
And my comment wasn't necessarily about how amazing the weld is. It's more likely the geometry, design of the bike. But person I was replying to was criticizing the weld and saying his old steel bike has better. I was replying, I highly doubt it. I would bet the smartweld is stronger and lighter and provides better strength at the joints than his double or triple butted steel. The smartweld to me isn't just smart, it just makes sense. And I expect all future aluminum bikes to have something similar to that.
But as @caloso has mentioned, you can find plenty of anecdotes from other racers who wanted a more economical solution.
And my comment wasn't necessarily about how amazing the weld is. It's more likely the geometry, design of the bike. But person I was replying to was criticizing the weld and saying his old steel bike has better. I was replying, I highly doubt it. I would bet the smartweld is stronger and lighter and provides better strength at the joints than his double or triple butted steel. The smartweld to me isn't just smart, it just makes sense. And I expect all future aluminum bikes to have something similar to that.
01-13-14 | 09:54 PM
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01-13-14 | 10:13 PM
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01-13-14 | 10:14 PM
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01-13-14 | 10:30 PM
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I have a Trek Aluminum and a Cervelo Carbon framed bikes and there is a world of a difference I think between the ride quality. I feel like I could ride the carbon on rough roads all day and not feel it that much. I never thought it would make that much of a difference until I got my carbon bike.
I can't see me ever not owning a carbon bike now as my main ride because of this fact.
I can't see me ever not owning a carbon bike now as my main ride because of this fact.
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01-13-14 | 10:47 PM
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I will never buy a carbon frame, I would only buy steel or titanium, yes both are heavier than carbon but I don't care because both will last longer than carbon. If they went back to titanium lugs and bonded carbon tubes that could be replaced should a tube get damaged then I could understand the carbon idea a bit better. But for long life in all types of conditions titanium and steel are the best.
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01-13-14 | 11:24 PM
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You sure about that? You may want to look up what Specialized super weld is. It makes joints stronger than traditional welding, lighter etc. There really isn't any downside. And from what I read recently, Specialized will be switching all their Allez bikes to superweld next year.
I also been reading plenty of articles where the superweld s-works allez are surprising racers all over. Can be built to be under 15 lb and it's as stiff and responsive as the Tarmac SL4. That sounds to me, damn good welding and joints.
I also been reading plenty of articles where the superweld s-works allez are surprising racers all over. Can be built to be under 15 lb and it's as stiff and responsive as the Tarmac SL4. That sounds to me, damn good welding and joints.
Of course a full penetration butt weld is going to be stronger than a filet but you don't see a lot of frames failing at the welds. The real reason they're doing it is likely that it's a fully automated process and they don't have to pay a human to do it.
01-13-14 | 11:39 PM
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I think he was commenting on the appearance of the welds and I would have to agree, they're ugly.
Of course a full penetration butt weld is going to be stronger than a filet but you don't see a lot of frames failing at the welds. The real reason they're doing it is likely that it's a fully automated process and they don't have to pay a human to do it.
Of course a full penetration butt weld is going to be stronger than a filet but you don't see a lot of frames failing at the welds. The real reason they're doing it is likely that it's a fully automated process and they don't have to pay a human to do it.
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01-13-14 | 11:40 PM
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01-14-14 | 01:17 AM
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01-14-14 | 04:29 AM
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01-14-14 | 06:15 AM
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I've got a really nice carbon bike, a Look 585 with DA7900 and handbuilt wheels. I just did a 100 mile training ride on it last Saturday. However, my go-to bike is a 2012 (pre-Smartweld) Specialized Allez E5 frameset with DA7800. It gets the lion's share of my miles, and is my race bike for the coming year. It's fine for 100 mile days, and it handles better than the Look. Granted, most of that is because the Look is the endurance version of the 585, while the Allez uses the same geometry as the Tarmac, but there it is. For my purposes, the Allez is functionally better, and I wouldn't see an improvement in race results with a Tarmac.
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01-14-14 | 06:29 AM
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So what happens when opinions are trumped by facts, annoying pesky facts?
01-14-14 | 07:48 AM
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There are opinions and there are facts. You're entitled to your own opinions, but when they are supported by bogus information, expect to be called out on them.
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01-14-14 | 08:06 AM
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The guy who wins all our club rides uses an Eddy Mercxx steel framed bike.
I'm sure you win your club rides with more pizzaz though.
