Zippity Doo-Doo...
04-06-14 | 05:33 PM
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Zippity Doo-Doo...
You asked for it? Here's yet more irrefutable evidence that name brand carbon stuff fails WAY more often than Chinese carbon fiber stuff...
...My Oh My! What did Zipp say?
I challenge anybody here to rebut my position that, There is no correlation between cost and fallibility by posting links and pix like these (and these).
Your rebuttals MUST show cheap Chinese Chipps (or ChipoRinis or SpeChiRizeds or Chinondales) that have catastrophically failed similar to the name brand products in those RBR links. Otherwise, you're just talkin' out the side of your neck by propogating urban myth.
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Originally Posted by Tarmac CK on forums.roadbikereview.com
Opinions on what appears to be a crack...bummed
Just noticed this after thinking my wheel was out of true. It was making some knocking when spinning the wheel and feathering the brake. Ran my finger across brake surface and felt this it bumps out ever so slightly from the surface.
Safe to ride? Safe to race? (zipp 303 front)
Just noticed this after thinking my wheel was out of true. It was making some knocking when spinning the wheel and feathering the brake. Ran my finger across brake surface and felt this it bumps out ever so slightly from the surface.
Safe to ride? Safe to race? (zipp 303 front)
Originally Posted by Tarmac CK on forums.roadbikereview.com
Just got off the phone with zipp. Told him I found cracking on my rims and had pictures I could send him. He told me that is not how they process warranty and to take them in to the nearest zipp/sram dealer. I told him I bought them in Illinois (live in NY) and he said any shop will be fine. Asked to speak to warranty department directly as I had photos to send in if need be and he said they wouldn't look at them.
Your rebuttals MUST show cheap Chinese Chipps (or ChipoRinis or SpeChiRizeds or Chinondales) that have catastrophically failed similar to the name brand products in those RBR links. Otherwise, you're just talkin' out the side of your neck by propogating urban myth.
I hope you like the taste of crow
04-06-14 | 05:41 PM
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38,000+ miles on full c/f tandem . . . and it is NOT a major brand, but custom built by a retired space shuttle engineer with American made c/f.
04-06-14 | 06:10 PM
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So, don't buy it if you think it is not reliable. No need to go into super-rant mode.
I have a Zipp wheel that broke. The carbon rim is fine, but the aluminum hub cracked. Conclusion: Don't use aluminum bicycle parts.
I have a Zipp wheel that broke. The carbon rim is fine, but the aluminum hub cracked. Conclusion: Don't use aluminum bicycle parts.
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04-06-14 | 06:20 PM
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No, actually OP it is your esponsibility to furnish the examples of non-branded Chinese carbon bike products that have failed. Then give us the comparison between the relative numbers of the name brand and no name failures. Surely you are not suggesting the no name stuff never fails. So where are those, albeit fewer as you contend, examples. You have the examples so show both kinds to us in their relative numbers. It is afrer all your assertion we are dealing with. So it is your responsibility to demonstrate it.
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04-06-14 | 06:20 PM
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Why don't you troll somewhere else?
04-06-14 | 06:30 PM
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04-06-14 | 07:00 PM
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04-06-14 | 07:11 PM
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04-06-14 | 07:17 PM
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No, actually OP it is your responsibility to furnish the examples of non-branded Chinese carbon bike products that have failed. Then give us the comparison between the relative numbers of the name brand and no name failures. Surely you are not suggesting the no name stuff never fails. So where are those, albeit fewer as you contend, examples. You have the examples so show both kinds to us in their relative numbers. It is, after all your assertion we are dealing with. So it is your responsibility to demonstrate it.
Yeah, I think that's a good call.
04-06-14 | 07:20 PM
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You asked for it? Here's yet more irrefutable evidence that name brand carbon stuff fails WAY more often than Chinese carbon fiber stuff...
brand name failures/total brand name parts out in the public v. crackonese failures/total crackonese parts out in the public.
Want "proof"? (not my bike)
Chinese carbon bike failure
"After building up my bike, I spent some general road riding time with it. I commuted to my work, which is about 12 miles. I had tested it for about 15 minutes in the dirt, in it's short lifetime. On roughly my tenth ride, I was in a parking lot slowing down and dismounting off the bike when I heard a crack. My initial thought was that I ran over something. When I looked down, I saw a large crack, about 1 inch long."
One of the pic \/
With actual brands, you not only pay for a better part, but you also pay for a company that will back up their product if it was a true manufacturer's error. You pay for that company to have locations in the U.S. and actual customer srvice in the event that something doesn't quite go right.
With Chinese parts you pay for a less refined part, and you take a roll of the dice. Something goes wrong, the company couldn't care less because you're half way around the world and the U.S. regulations have no jurisdiction where they are at.
Last edited by Team Sarcasm; 04-06-14 at 07:27 PM.
04-06-14 | 07:21 PM
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Despite your intentionally antagonistic approach, I guess I do still feel better about knock-offs after reading that post? I wish I had some money to throw away to buy some test pieces.
Edit per Team Sarcasm :
Huh... maybe not... Where did you get that frame? And really just on dismount? ANy thoughts on why that is? Seems awfully odd even if it was just a terrible frame.
Edit per Team Sarcasm :
Huh... maybe not... Where did you get that frame? And really just on dismount? ANy thoughts on why that is? Seems awfully odd even if it was just a terrible frame.
04-06-14 | 07:23 PM
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You asked for it? Here's yet more irrefutable evidence that name brand carbon stuff fails WAY more often than Chinese carbon fiber stuff...
...My Oh My! What did Zipp say?
I challenge anybody here to rebut my position that, There is no correlation between cost and fallibility by posting links and pix like these (and these).
Your rebuttals MUST show cheap Chinese Chipps (or ChipoRinis or SpeChiRizeds or Chinondales) that have catastrophically failed similar to the name brand products in those RBR links. Otherwise, you're just talkin' out the side of your neck by propogating urban myth.
I hope you like the taste of crow
...My Oh My! What did Zipp say?
I challenge anybody here to rebut my position that, There is no correlation between cost and fallibility by posting links and pix like these (and these).
Your rebuttals MUST show cheap Chinese Chipps (or ChipoRinis or SpeChiRizeds or Chinondales) that have catastrophically failed similar to the name brand products in those RBR links. Otherwise, you're just talkin' out the side of your neck by propogating urban myth.
I hope you like the taste of crow
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04-06-14 | 07:26 PM
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Despite your intentionally antagonistic approach, I guess I do still feel better about knock-offs after reading that post? I wish I had some money to throw away to buy some test pieces.
Edit per Team Sarcasm :
Huh... maybe not... Where did you get that frame? And really just on dismount? ANy thoughts on why that is? Seems awfully odd even if it was just a terrible frame.
Edit per Team Sarcasm :
Huh... maybe not... Where did you get that frame? And really just on dismount? ANy thoughts on why that is? Seems awfully odd even if it was just a terrible frame.
04-06-14 | 07:36 PM
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The curiosity continues to eat at me, though.
04-06-14 | 07:38 PM
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So OP, you're going to troll this topic no matter what?
Bad idea.
Bad idea.
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