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Gramercy 04-15-14 02:12 PM

If you ride with others you would get a lot more KOM's since you have the benefit of a draft. But then I guess you'll be flagged even more.

merlinextraligh 04-15-14 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by f4rrest (Post 16673682)
Wow, lots of Strava hate here.

The question was about why others can flag an entire ride, not a segment.

This feature allows other Strava users to remove rides from the leaderboards when the ride has obviously bad data, such as when the end of the ride is actually in a car on the drive home and the user forgot to turn off the app.

If your ride is flagged, don't cry, because Strava gives you a way to fix the problem and then notify them that it's fixed, and then they'll unflag it.

I did exactly that. Trying to edit out the drive home proved to be such a PITA, I just deleted the file.

What surprised me was getting the notification the ride had been flagged when I hadn't used Strava in 2 years.

I personally don't see the sense in the whole thing, but if it works for others fine.

zymphad 04-15-14 02:18 PM

I don't get if it's so important and there are enough riders doing it why these strava nuts don't just meet on an agreed time and race?

RPK79 04-15-14 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by zymphad (Post 16673691)
Before there was a SEO friendly URL, the forum URL was 41.

Hey, don't be making stuff up!

SpeshulEd 04-15-14 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by zymphad (Post 16673718)
I don't get if it's so important and there are enough riders doing it why these strava nuts don't just meet on an agreed time and race?

Many do, underground crit tonight at 6:30.

canam73 04-15-14 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by zymphad (Post 16673718)
I don't get if it's so important and there are enough riders doing it why these strava nuts don't just meet on an agreed time and race?

You don't get that there are people who ride a bike that have schedules that don't allow for regular group rides or races? Or who just prefer riding solo but like to throw in a climb or other segment now and again?

The being overly serious (or dangerous) part of it, yes, that is dumb.

caloso 04-15-14 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by zymphad (Post 16673718)
I don't get if it's so important and there are enough riders doing it why these strava nuts don't just meet on an agreed time and race?

Bike Ride Profile | Paris-Roubaix near Clairoix | Times and Records | Strava

canam73 04-15-14 02:53 PM

Figures, a dude with a girl's name posts his race on strava.

TexMac 04-15-14 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by UnfilteredDregs (Post 16673378)
:popcorn

;)

share that popcorn

Homebrew01 04-15-14 02:58 PM

What is Strava ?? Would I need to buy a computer of some kind to use it ?

RPK79 04-15-14 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by Homebrew01 (Post 16673829)
What is Strava ?? Would I need to buy a computer of some kind to use it ?

No. You can just highlight your route on a paper map and write down your travel time and username and mail it to:

Strava
500 3rd St #100
San Francisco, CA 94107

They'll mail you back letting you know if you have any KOMs or PRs. The maps can get expensive though...

RIRview 04-15-14 03:04 PM

I was awarded a Strava KOM on a segment that showed I was doing an average of 35 MPH uphill. I still laugh when I think about that...

goenrdoug 04-15-14 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by f4rrest (Post 16673682)
Wow, lots of Strava hate here.

The question was about why others can flag an entire ride, not a segment.

This feature allows other Strava users to remove rides from the leaderboards when the ride has obviously bad data, such as when the end of the ride is actually in a car on the drive home and the user forgot to turn off the app.

If your ride is flagged, don't cry, because Strava gives you a way to fix the problem and then notify them that it's fixed, and then they'll unflag it.

+1.

I have actually enjoyed flagging KOMs with average speeds of 60+mph's that were cluttering up a bunch of my favorite segments. All obviously situations were people left Strava on, hopped in their car and drove home. And, as pointed out, you can edit your rides to cut off the done-in-the-car parts to have your legit performance reinstated.

It's an informal training tool with social features maintained by the hive mind. Resistance is futile. You're obviously well on your way to being assimilated, just give in.

Zuzus pedals 04-15-14 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by kv501 (Post 16673435)
Now to my question. Strava has something called King Of the Mountain, (KOM). This is very ridiculous. It shows that you have picked a day with a tailwind, over a certain segment or ride. In turn, it makes other riders wait for a day with a stronger tailwind to get that elusive KOM, which makes you wait for a day with an even stronger tailwind. A completely pointless endless cycle.

Bahhh-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha! Isn't that the truth? As if anybody does a straight shot segment when there isn't a tailwind. I mean duh, right?

People also apparently make Strava segments out of their own cul-de-sac streets. Or their driveways. Or at least something that nobody else is likely to ride.

Having said that, I still like doing Strava segments - and I'm not even a member of Strava. Even if there's a monster tailwind, it's fun to get from point A to point B faster than ever and set the bar out there to see if I can beat that time when there's much less wind, which I've done numerous times and which is quite satisfying in a compete-against-yourself-only kind of way. And there are a few loop segments around where I live, so those can be used as legitimate benchmarks.

As for the pros riding these segments ... naturally somebody decided to include Mt. Diablo, Mont Ventoux and other famous mountains as segments, and of course those are regularly ridden by top pros, making the amateurs look ... well, amateurish.

achoo 04-15-14 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by zymphad (Post 16673691)
Before there was a SEO friendly URL, the forum URL was 41. Bikeforums.net/41 or something like that. I didn't know the 41 was based on highest speed attained by a rider though.

I also think it's moronic that Pros are destroying KOMs set by amateurs. It's really dumb considering they have actual real competitions to determine who is the best.

It's not moronic. It's reality: your KOM stands only until someone really fast comes along on, say, a recovery ride or similar.

You want to race? Crawl out of the Strava sandbox, get a license, pin on a number, and race with the big boys.

As you said, "real competitions".

RPK79 04-15-14 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by achoo (Post 16673905)
It's not moronic. It's reality: your KOM stands only until someone really fast comes along on, say, a recovery ride or similar.

You want to race? Crawl out of the Strava sandbox, get a license, pin on a number, and race with the big boys.

As you said, "real competitions".

Nah, I agree with zymphad here. Strava is a fun thing for people to compare themselves against other local riders and it is fun to get a KOM. Having a pro come through and take all the KOMs from the amateurs steals away some of that fun. The pros are called out so would it really be too much for Strava to rank them separately just like they do the men and women?

rangerdavid 04-15-14 03:34 PM

let me know which segments you have KOM's on and I'll quickly relieve you of that stress..........:)

rangerdavid 04-15-14 03:34 PM

oh, and I almost forgot



****


cuz you know this one is circling the bowl now.......

RJM 04-15-14 03:53 PM

I only get on strava to flag other people.



It's because I don't like you.


all of you.

banerjek 04-15-14 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by RPK79 (Post 16673919)
The pros are called out so would it really be too much for Strava to rank them separately just like they do the men and women?

Doesn't seem fair to put cat 6 Freds up against the cat 1 and 2's. Making those who are 50 plus go directly against 25 year old punks is also messed up. I'm sure I could think of other things they need to break out.

Then everyone could be a winner....

SpeshulEd 04-15-14 05:20 PM

Actually, you can break it out by age, friends, males, females, clubs, etc if you have a premium account. Its not really that big of a deal though.

And its possible to beat pro times. Just find a tailwind and some friends.

banerjek 04-15-14 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by spectastic (Post 16673632)

one of a number of stupid things that people do for kom's.

Dumbasses.

Blasting by casual riders, dog walkers, and peds like that is extremely dangerous. And unlike bombing down a mountain where the only one likely to get hurt/killed is the one riding beyond his/her abilities, this can get totally innocent people messed up. If the fun descents are marked as unsafe, anything that peds and beginners belong on should be as well.

Bah Humbug 04-15-14 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by RPK79 (Post 16673919)
Nah, I agree with zymphad here. Strava is a fun thing for people to compare themselves against other local riders and it is fun to get a KOM. Having a pro come through and take all the KOMs from the amateurs steals away some of that fun. The pros are called out so would it really be too much for Strava to rank them separately just like they do the men and women?

Plus, the pros are pinning numbers on, so obviously Strava holds no interest whatsoever for them.

spectastic 04-15-14 06:18 PM

I know what the 41 is. I'm just poking fun at the reference. I hate it when people in the 33 make the 41 reference. it reeks of bigotry.

Hbrown 04-15-14 06:46 PM

Just curious, do people think that there are some amatures out there that can beat profesionals? NO? Well guess what, there are. Not everyone can become a profesional, not everyone wants to be. There are prodigies, and people that are naturally gifted.

There are people who have found out later in life that they are pretty good, well past the entry age of profesionals. Some say strap on a number and prove that they are that good. Let me ask you this. How will you feel when a person who has been riding for maybe three years beats you at your so called proving ground. Someone at least 20lbs overweight, never raced a day in his life, only trained by himself, or with freinds. Smoked you in a final sprint!

Then what? He cheated? He must be on a electric bike. He is doing drugs? No, if you check his training pages on Strava, you might get your answers. and saw that this person is indeed good. This person is indeed fast.

Now if I can hit 50+ mph in a sprint, and you say Bull$#it, then you check my pages and see that I have done it regurally. over the length of 2 years. Then what?

Please stop thinking that, only if you wear a number, belong on a team, get camera's shoved in your face, get paid, that there is not anyone out there that can't kick your butt after riding , maybe for the first time. on a rusty old panasonic, with sneakers on.

There is always someone better, always someone faster, maybe Strava is a good way to find these people. Tailwinds? Then how do you explain 10 rides all within seconds of each other. Guess there were tailwinds in all of those rides. (just a foreinstance).

My point from the begining, Strava needs to revamp their flagging proceedure.


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