I was at a LBS recently discussing a new bike with Red 22 (I currently have Rival). The discussion was about what bike/model and not about the gruppo. At the end another salesman said I should not not get Red but get Dura Ace instead since there are problems with Red. He also said that they only stock bikes with Shimano for that reason.

So... are there problems with Red 22 or is it sales BS?

Not looking to get into a Sram vs Shimano debate. There's already plenty of them on the interweb.

A bike shop sells bikes with only a certain groupset mfr and therefore trumps up a reason why and wants to direct you toward only the bikes he sells. Do you really need to ask this question?
I prefer Red 22 to DA 9000.
Find another shop.

As a current SRAM Red user who is thinking about upgrading to Red 22, I can tell you I have heard no such thing when researching the product. The few people I do know that have Red 22 seem to be happy with it. Nothing wrong with DA at all, but this does sound like BS on the part of your shop. I would press him for some information to back up his claim.

I've got a mixture of Red 22 and some Force 22 on my bike, and wouldn't trade it unless SRAM get that electronic wireless system on the market, and then maybe I'd think about it.

maybe you could ask him what the problems are?

The red 22 thrust bearings suffer from sinusoidal deplanerization, which is resolved by Shimano with their turbo incabulator technology during manufacturing.

Whaddya wanna know? I said it's got problems. Ya friggin' deaf or something?

That's for clearing it up, it makes perfect sense now.

My mind was clouded due to my extensive search for NOS German muffler bearings for my VW.

Just got back from another LBS and had a extensive discussion with one of the mechanics. He said his store sells Shimano, Sram and Campy and all work just fine. He's seen no problems with Red 22 but has seen issues with the new Force 22 front Derailleur. He said it really comes down to personal preference, a good mechanic can make them all work flawlessly.

He also gave me a lot of other great advice. I'll be sure to go back when it's time to purchase and see if we can work out a deal.

Once upon a time, I started a thread on this subject.

https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycli...tml?highlight=

The prefabulated amulite was a key factor as well.

Undoubtedly, the turbo-encabulator has now reached a very high level of technical development. It has been successfully used for operating nofer trunnions. In addition, whenever a barescent skor motion is required, it may be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocating dingle arm to reduce sinusoidal depleneration.

this thread hit at just the right time, I was just planning to change my fleet over to red 22.

Don't do it ! Red 22 has problems.

The only time this has been a problem was when I tried to power out of a corner ahead of Cavendish. But, when I woke up I ran out to the garage and everything was intact on my bike. Whew!

A LOT of mighty good riders are running Sram Red 22, a LOT of others running DA .

Like my BB30, mine works just fine.

No issues.

SRAM has had many issues with their components in the past. It's not that they don't work well enough, it' that they have been noisy and rough working, and have far more failures than Shimano & Campagnolo combined. SRAM always takes care of their customers when they have a warranty claim, but it's likely because they are aware of the problem with the components that failed.

I'm sure someone is gonna call me a troll because they think their personal experience trumps my professional experience, but I'm used to that. Flame away.

I wonder how much of the salesman issues are about this? - experiences from a long time ago with customers bring Sram back on noise type issues as well as problems with initial setups. Everything I've heard about Sram the last few years is very positive.

SRAM has improved, but I know a few shop owners that got so tired of having issues with it that the stopped ordering SRAM bikes for stock. They would special order for customer that wanted it if they couldn't get them on Shimano.

But...what if you reorient the laminar photakron field generator to get the bearings to spontaneously self-replanerize? That's just crazy enough to work!

At least, it worked on the episode of Star Trek I saw...

I replaced a perfectly good Red setup for a guy with a Specialized Tarmac. He wanted Red 22. After the install I was amazed at how easy the front derailleur adjusted and the lack of chain rub. He's ridden it all season and still loves it and its been problem free. I call BS on the LBS Salesman.

When I worked at a shop over the summer, I asked our top mechanics their opinion on sram. According to several of them, it's a good thing that sram has a great warranty.. because longevity is definitely a issue.

If you ride with Avid hydraulic brakes, you better have good health insurance. I wouldn't let an enemy ride SRAM hydraulic brakes.

Somebody should make the piss on Campy, piss on Sramm and piss on Shimano stickers because it reminds me of the same debate. For the most part, it is a matter of preference. They are all good. I ride Campy by choice but I would not have a problem riding any of the others.