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Old 11-30-04 | 06:09 AM
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Rowan, you might be able to find some of the elevations you're after on www.cycle2max.com.
Go to the Hill climbs page>>Climbs in your area>> Australia>>Tasmania

You may even be able to add some of your own. They also have a very cool feature called ridemaker where you can plan a route through the Adelaide Hills and it will give you distances, ascent, starting and finishing altitudes and sometimes the state of the tarmac. It finishes with a ride profile so you can see where you may need to save a few bikkies.
Of course, this is only useful if you can ride the Adelaide Hills, but as I live in this region I find it very useful.
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Old 11-30-04 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Rowan
I was back in Perth a month ago (clearing out stuff that has been in storage since I lived there seven years ago) and was impressed with the bike lockers. But realistically, how many people actually use them? I did not see anyone putting in or taking out a bike... although I wasn't travelling by train in peak hours. What I did see, however, was plenty of people taking bikes on the light rail, which I thought was pretty impressive.

The reason I ask about the bike lockers is that if the elected reps (the pollies) see them *not* being used, or some stirrer in the community picks up on it, questions start being asked about wastes of money and how these bluddy whingeing cyclists don't appreciate what is spent on them. It's a real question and a real problem.

By the way, I am a little aware of things over there because I lived in Perth for over two years, and took up cycling while there. I also have been Tasmania's rep on the Australian Bicycle Council, and in that role, gained reat respect for Russell Greig, of BikeWest. His is/was a promotional role, and I figure people like him are much more aware of and effective in dealing with the issues than the droll traffic engineers who usually end up managing cycling facilities (using motor vehicle and pedestrian principles rather than cycling ones, and by putting the issues in a too-hard basket).
The lockers do get used. They also get broken into.

Also the government in WA spent $3m on 3km of cycleway running up towards Maylands. That's commitment.
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Old 11-30-04 | 04:48 PM
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Yes, Maylands, nice spot. I have friends who built a home right on the river there. Didn't look them up last time back.

On the whole I don't mind the cycleway network in Perth, but because I was staying out past Midland and riding into Canningvale, the easiest route was along the highway (dammit, I've forgotten its name, but it ends in C'vale). Flat, straight, easy. Until I discovered some w@nky sign that said cycling wasn't allowed on the southern newer section, and I was legally forced on to a path that wound in and out, in and out. I caught the trains more often after that. Just getting across traffic lights and stuff of Nicholson Rd became a pain in the butt.

OK for the recreational cyclist, but not for the transport one.

You were lucky when the Court government was in power, with its $20 million commitment to cycling stuff. Pity the Gallop government couldn't follow it through. Strange that -- A Liberal, right-wing party supporting cycling, and a Labor, left-wing party dissing it.
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Old 11-30-04 | 05:11 PM
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Well, caught up with HobartDave tonight. That's about it, I suppose.

Dragged my sorry @rse up the hill in a time under 20 minutes. Dave's nightly practice on the hill for the last couple of months paid dividends -- he was down in the 17-minute range IIRC. Good job on the trusty Trek.

I won the fixed-gear division. However, I was the only one in it. And there isn't really a fixed gear division, but I'm lobbying.

Looks like I might have some opposition in a fortnight because several of the truly talented have threatened to turn up on their track bikes. I'm not sure I can improve five minutes over the seven kilometre climb in that time, so I will have to let the title go gracefully.

Of course, the Bonnet is only one of the hills in the Annual Seven Hills Dash (Ash Dash, get it?), a 200km randonnee starting at 7.00am on Sunday. These hills include several of the meanest in Tasmania, including Woodbridge Saddle and Kaoota.

Up for a real ride on Sunday, HobartDave?
Appart from the fact that I don't think I could dream of hauling my arse up 7 hills, my work christmas do is on this weekend. Can't see myself seeing morning anytime this weekend
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Old 11-30-04 | 09:44 PM
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You were lucky when the Court government was in power, with its $20 million commitment to cycling stuff. Pity the Gallop government couldn't follow it through. Strange that -- A Liberal, right-wing party supporting cycling, and a Labor, left-wing party dissing it.
In the last 10 years or so, "Labor left-wing party" has become more and more of a contradiction in terms.
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Old 11-30-04 | 09:44 PM
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Never been to the breakfasts I as work in West Perth. Might go to the next one though - usually in March aren't they?
Yes thats right,bike week, 11-20th of march, the breakfast is about the 12th 6 to 9.am,flyers on bike tracks later, stay tuned. People have locked there bikes to the security ring lock fencing allong the transperth rail line, to come back and find trasperth have cut the lock and confiscatted the bikes, i think they were tourist and didnt know any better.

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Old 11-30-04 | 09:46 PM
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Back on track......when's the next AT@BFR scheduled for?

I'm keen to get on Wattsy's honour roll for a pic.
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Old 11-30-04 | 09:50 PM
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Back on track......when's the next AT@BFR scheduled for?

I'm keen to get on Wattsy's honour roll for a pic.

name the date & we'll just shame everyone into coming....now if we can just get 531 outta bed!.....can't say i enjoyed beach rd in the arvo much, s'pose it coulda been cos the weather was 33 or something....is it that bad every weekend arvo?

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Old 11-30-04 | 10:39 PM
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I'd be up for a Chicagoland ride, but the weather is getting really crappy. Instead we could play a game of rugby! I'd be all over that ... (is that Bruce I can hear in the distance ... "Glory days")
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Originally Posted by 531Aussie
The traffic is only crap when it's hot. If it was sunny it would've been much worse, but when it's that hot we can't (well, I can't) ride hard and fast anyway, so it's not like we'll be doing 50kmh past all those opening car doors

How about mornings? An 8am leave from Port Melbourne hooks me up with the TFM boyz most Sundays...
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Old 11-30-04 | 10:47 PM
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I'd be up for a Chicagoland ride, but the weather is getting really crappy. Instead we could play a game of rugby! I'd be all over that ... (is that Bruce I can hear in the distance ... "Glory days")
what's rugby?.......do you mean 'thugby'?...is that the game where the bigger you are & the uglier you are, the more likely you'll be good at it?......mobile mud wrestling?.....3 blokes trying to push 2 blokes up another blokes rectum?....that one?......never heard of it

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Originally Posted by Hitchy
what's rugby?.......do you mean 'thugby'?...is that the game where the bigger you are & the uglier you are, the more likely you'll be good at it?......mobile mud wrestling?.....3 blokes trying to push 2 blokes up another blokes rectum?....that one?......never heard of it

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Old 11-30-04 | 10:52 PM
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what's rugby?.......do you mean 'thugby'?...is that the game where the bigger you are & the uglier you are, the more likely you'll be good at it?......mobile mud wrestling?.....3 blokes trying to push 2 blokes up another blokes rectum?....that one?......never heard of it

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You're confusing Rugby with American Football I think

Don't get me started on Australian Rules Footie ... now THAT's mental. I used to go over to Ireland on the odd occasion with the rugby club to watch some Gaelic football when some of the Australian sides would come over on tours. Absolutely mental. Brilliant suff. The umpires kill me with all that trotting about and then making that swift motion and pointing with both hands like they're preparing for a rectal exam.
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You're confusing Rugby with American Football I think

Don't get me started on Australian Rules Footie ... now THAT's mental. I used to go over to Ireland on the odd occasion with the rugby club to watch some Gaelic football when some of the Australian sides would come over on tours. Absolutely mental. Brilliant suff. The umpires kill me with all that trotting about and then making that swift motion and pointing with both hands like they're preparing for a rectal exam.

all the hand signals by the umpies are so the players/crowd/commentators know what the decision that the umpie made.......is actually for...then we know what to go crook about!.....aussie rules, the only sport where everyone reckon the umpies wrong!

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