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Portland Roadie found "GUILTY" for no front brake!

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Old 07-28-06 | 11:12 AM
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Portland Roadie found "GUILTY" for no front brake!

Guess all you Portland boys & girls better start drilling out those forks...the cops are on to you-

https://bikeportland.org/2006/07/28/j...t-with-fixies/
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Old 07-28-06 | 11:28 AM
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Guess all you Portland boys & girls better start drilling out those forks...the cops are on to you-

https://bikeportland.org/2006/07/28/j...t-with-fixies/

well, damn. i see that kid around all the time, too...didn't know that was going on.
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Old 07-28-06 | 11:33 AM
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Just like it was illegal to skate anywhere back in the day...That muscle thing was weak, what if I have week hands and fingers, how good is m break then?
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Old 07-28-06 | 11:35 AM
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“The brake must be a device separate from the musclulature of the rider. Take me for instance. I don’t have leg muscles as strong as a messenger…how would I stop safely?”



uggggggh...



did you see this guy?

i'm sure he'd have a hard time stopping if he was walking down a hill...

i love ignorance... how about the fact that a good hunk of all cruddy road bike brakes hardly work if it's wet out.
i know that statue only talks about wet, dry level ground.. but jeeeeeez.

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Old 07-28-06 | 11:37 AM
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or poorly adjusted brakes? old brake pads? wet rims? there are a lot of problems that are common as **** that are solved by a fixed gear and the absence of "traditional brake mechanisms".

sucks, i was going to talk to this lawyer about my ticket...probably not, now. though ayla's fine did get reduced...

watch out in that area...in proximity to the multnomah county couirthouse, and the police station on second. i'm always super careful when i'm in that area.
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Old 07-28-06 | 11:38 AM
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****. what weak sauce.
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Originally Posted by grxnt.
“The brake must be a device separate from the musclulature of the rider. Take me for instance. I don’t have leg muscles as strong as a messenger…how would I stop safely?”



uggggggh...



did you see this guy?

also, ayla's skinny, but rides fine every time i've seen her.

i'm sure he'd have a hard time stopping if he was walking down a hill...

i love ignorance... how about the fact that a good hunk of all cruddy road bike brakes hardly work if it's wet out.
i know that statue only talks about wet, dry level ground.. but jeeeeeez.
wet, dry, level, sloped ground/air?
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Old 07-28-06 | 11:41 AM
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fixie is your best friend in the winter with either rain or snow.
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re-reading that, i think that the officer there--if not others--is too stupid to know the difference between a fixed gear and a coaster hub. maybe not, he probably notices you not holding your feet still as you skid to a stop.

and skidding is a ****ty way to stop. that's why i don't do it much. skipping is better, like anti-lock brakes.
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Old 07-28-06 | 11:42 AM
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showing up to court in a sleeveless t-shirt wasn't the best idea.
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Old 07-28-06 | 11:43 AM
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what if one had a finger muscle spasm???
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Originally Posted by humancongereel
wet, dry, level, sloped ground/air?

oooops.
my bad.
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Old 07-28-06 | 11:46 AM
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Shouldn't be suprised this happened in one of the tofu farter meccas like Portland.
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So she got stopped for no other reason than that she wasn't running a "brake"?
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Old 07-28-06 | 12:06 PM
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showing up to court in a sleeveless t-shirt wasn't the best idea.
The defendent Ayla is a girl and her sleeveless tee was most likely of the dressy girlie sleeveless tee variety.
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Old 07-28-06 | 12:07 PM
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and skidding is a ****ty way to stop. that's why i don't do it much. skipping is better, like anti-lock brakes.

Skipping is nothing like anti-lock brakes except that the stopping force ocillates.
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Old 07-28-06 | 12:08 PM
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trans, actually, but i think that's her normal garb...in fact, i don't think i ever see her wearing anything else.
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Old 07-28-06 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dutret
Skipping is nothing like anti-lock brakes accept that the stopping force ocillates.
of course it operates nothing like an abs system. but the effect is worth the comparison.
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Is that what passes for a 'girl' in Portland?
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Originally Posted by iluvfreebeer
Is that what passes for a 'girl' in Portland?
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Shouldn't be suprised this happened in one of the tofu farter meccas like Portland.
Is this what passes as an intelligent conversation in your social circle?
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Old 07-28-06 | 12:21 PM
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I'd hate to have to prove to a judge that my front brake will skid the front wheel on clean level dry pavement... And its funny that the officer's (or was it judge's?) argument for muscle failure or whatever would be identical to some sort of mechanical failure. Seems this judge does not possess the intellectual abilities most people want in their legal system. Think about it this way, at least he's not in charge of people's lives (like some criminal judges-though maybe not in oregon).
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Old 07-28-06 | 12:24 PM
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Trial court judges aren't the place to get statutory language settled. If this case goes on appeal there will be a much more indepth consideration of the statute and the defense's arguments will be better considered
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Originally Posted by humancongereel
of course it operates nothing like an abs system. but the effect is worth the comparison.

It's misleading. An ABS system falcutatively lightens the braking as the wheel starts to slip faster then any human is capable of. Skipping just alternates between skidding and not based on how fast you are going and your gear ratio.

Yes you can have poorly maintained crummy road brakes that don't work well but in general a decent caliper with good pads is going to work pretty well as long as it doesn't freeze up. The law however does not allow such brakes either it would appear. The fact is it is much easier for a person of average strength and proportions to use a handbrake then it is for them to skid. With the increasing number of inexperienced riders on the streets laws must be aimed at the lowest common denominator not what certain people are capable of.

Jurisprudence works best when laws are defined with a bright line that allows for easy and expedient enforcement... simply requiring a front brake provides this and for everyones safety.
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Originally Posted by iluvfreebeer
Is that what passes for a 'girl' in Portland?
Yeah, really, what kind of 'girl' has short hair? Jeeze, don't you people in Portland know anything about respecting the gender binary?
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hahaha. the gear isn't the brake, the muscles are.

the same could be said for a handbrake. and the judge declined to watch the process.

whateverrrrrrrrrr.
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