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Landis drops EPO bomb on modern Pro Cycling. Lance is in the bullseye
05-20-10, 06:08 PM
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I'm reminded of that AIM conversation made public four or five years ago: Vaughters and Andreu talking about how Postal would smuggle in the blood/EPO/whatever it was in refrigerated cases on motorcycles. One of them said that Landis had told them about it, and that he'd even taken pictures of the thing.
Ah, here it is: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/andr...ping-practices
Ah, here it is: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/andr...ping-practices
05-20-10, 06:08 PM
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05-20-10, 06:15 PM
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the reason that canseco and hunter were okay was because there was later information that emerged proving what they had said. without the mitchell report, i think canseco gets sued. without the victor conte evidence and the skipped drug test, hunter doesn't look too great. while the accusations may have led to the more intense scrutiny which ultimately sprung the trap, there has to be something more than accusations. i'm not saying that one will not show up, but there is no more tangible information about lance now than there was yesterday. if landis can produce something, okay, but i think it will take a third party bringing in some BIG information.
What's funny is how some people are acting like this is the first doping allegation against LA. And even funnier are the people throwing "the well Floyd lied about being innocent for years, now why should we believe him." Anybody who believed Floyd didn't dope after he got popped was a fool. Just like those who believe Tyler Hamilton.
05-20-10, 06:20 PM
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It's not so much guilt as pressure. Landis cannot rebuild his life the way he would like. He cannot get on a team where he makes a good living. Only a couple of American races are suited to him and he can't get into the most important one. He is being black-balled. He is changing tack because lying has not worked for him.
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05-20-10, 06:25 PM
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I agree with what you are saying. Some of those are reasons why I said that unfortunately many of his allegations probably true, I was just trying to point of the problem with the mentality of, "well he cheated, so he knows the who's who of cheating, and now he came clean, so we should listen to him". He has basically made a career out of denying his involvement with this whole mess over the past few years, and with some of the statements he has made, I see this as a little bit more than a typical situation where the accuser's credibility is questionable. There is plenty of other evidence to look at that supports these claims. I personally don't see the point in believing a man who has fallen from the top and dedicated the past few years of his life to ruining his reputation very rational.
05-20-10, 06:27 PM
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It's not so much quilt as pressure. Landis cannot rebuild his life the way he would like. He cannot get on a team where he makes a good living. Only a couple of American races are suited to him and he can't get into the most important one. He is being black-balled. He is changing tack because lying has not worked for him.
05-20-10, 06:41 PM
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05-20-10, 06:41 PM
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I just read through the entire thread, and you know what? I've seen the light. It's now obvious that Lance has been and remains forever clean. It's never been revealed that he's failed a drug test, and those supposed anonymous urine samples from the '99 Tour so publicly discussed by L'Equipe a few years ago, well, what can one say but the French will be French. (That is to say dirty rotten bastards, to the extent they'll humiliate one of their own in Virenque. A terribly amoral people.)
Honestly, though, whoever it was -- sorry -- that said Lance is too big to fail, I think he's on to something.
Honestly, though, whoever it was -- sorry -- that said Lance is too big to fail, I think he's on to something.
05-20-10, 06:48 PM
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He's not doing spectacularly well at P/1/2 races in socal, let's not get ahead of ourselves right now.
05-20-10, 06:50 PM
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05-20-10, 06:52 PM
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Of course you are right. He is not showing the kind of form he used to have. Which makes it easy to justify him being were he is at. But I can't help but think that it wouldn't matter much anyway. I don't think that any pro tour team would sign him no matter how good he was doing.
05-20-10, 06:55 PM
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05-20-10, 06:57 PM
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Floyd says he's got his training/doping etc. diaries still, and is willing to share them with investigators. I hope he's got pictures from the team bus too.
05-20-10, 07:01 PM
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05-20-10, 07:02 PM
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Hey look.. The world is talking about Landis again.
He wins. We all lose.
He wins. We all lose.
05-20-10, 07:05 PM
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The replies to Landis' letters are telling. Everyone is just attacking his character, rather than trying to counter the accusations. I mean it makes sense since his character is his weakest point, but when people basically result to name calling in an argument it is safe to say they are wrong. Oh well--c'est la vie--cycling will live on.
05-20-10, 07:06 PM
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The replies to Landis' letters are telling. Everyone is just attacking his character, rather than trying to counter the accusations. I mean it makes sense since his character is his weakest point, but when people basically result to name calling in an argument it is safe to say they are wrong. Oh well--c'est la vie--cycling will live on.
05-20-10, 07:08 PM
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Damn double post.
05-20-10, 07:08 PM
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You mean the accusations he has no evidence for? What is there to attack? It's one man's word vs. another.
05-20-10, 07:10 PM
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The replies to Landis' letters are telling. Everyone is just attacking his character, rather than trying to counter the accusations. I mean it makes sense since his character is his weakest point, but when people basically result to name calling in an argument it is safe to say they are wrong. Oh well--c'est la vie--cycling will live on.
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05-20-10, 07:12 PM
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05-20-10, 07:40 PM
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doping is endemic, problem is intractable. There are two options:
1. Open policy, treat drugs as any other technology and regulate that (good luck)
2. Embrace the drama of the cat and mouse testing game as an integral component of the sport (and STFU)
1. Open policy, treat drugs as any other technology and regulate that (good luck)
2. Embrace the drama of the cat and mouse testing game as an integral component of the sport (and STFU)