Trevtassie

There's a bit of a story about white bread. Basically the modern version of bread was invented in Britain in 1961 as a result of a government program to utilise locally grown low protein wheat rather than imported wheat. It's called Chorleywood method bread after the location of the laboratory that developed it. Instead of developing the gluten by allowing the dough to rise overnight, the flour is processed by machine with added chemicals and gluten to make the dough strong enough to hold together when baked. As somebody mentioned its more like cake than bread, because raising agents are added because the yeast simply doesn't have time to do it naturally. Traditional bread is much healthier for two reasons: less chemicals and additives, and because the actions of the yeast actually partially digest the gluten and other proteins in the wheat, making it lower GI. Traditional soughdough is even better, because the slower the proving time the more pre-digestion occurs, lowering GI even more. This is the type of bread most Caucasians have evolved with and can tolerate easily. But there are a lot of fake soughdough breads out there. Chorleywood bread with added flavours. Basically good soughdough bread should be like a brick. Low GI but high carb products are perfect cycling fuel. The carb content is called Glycemic Load or GL. So you want low GI high GL. Lots of energy released slowly.

avidone1

There is nothing new about sugar being bad for you. It's not a fad or "the latest thing" , and while I admit there is a lot of 'bad science' in the nutrition world there is ample evidence gleened over many decades that sugar is toxic. don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

rydabent

All things in moderation.

MoAlpha

I'd agree with this. I've had the medical letters after my name for 30 years now and doctrine has never deviated from the holding that refined carbs are bad, during that time. The link to inflammation is somewhat new and tenuous, in my opinion, but the causal role in obesity and insulin insensitivity (type 2 diabetes) is pretty clear. I gave up my beloved breads—all kinds—almost totally, a few years ago, so my money is where my mouth is and I'm hoping to avoid my dad's rather unpleasant fate. You'd be surprised, however, what is relatively OK to eat in moderation, e.g., chocolate, and a look at a table of glycemic indices is definitely worthwhile.

Wanderer

Both are bad for my diabetes, and drive my blood sugar crazy!

1989Pre 

That's actually a really good suggestion, Mick. Not only would a good, organic pita eliminate sugar and chemicals, but yeast as well. I think I'll try to replace at least some of my yeast-leavened bread with a flatbread such as pita.

Joe Minton

Sugar/white bread = Same Thing. Google is your friend -- Use It !!

Joe

1989Pre 

Bike Forums is also your friend..., and a whole lot friendlier than Google!

jppe

I've had excellent luck with a Rheumatologist. I'd suggest trying one of those for joint pains.

stardognine

Friendly?? Who you callin' friendly?

irwin7638

If you would like a natural alternative to Nsaid's, Tart Red Cherry juice has been found to be a natural anti-inflammatory. You can't just use it when pain pops up, but drinking a glass on a regular basis seems to reduce chronic inflammation. I can't tell you much about the science involved, it was recommended to me by somebody who suffers from chronic arthritis. When I used it for a period of weeks, the pain I had had in my shoulders went away. Snake oil? Maybe, but the pain was real before.
White bread and sugar? I do what I can to avoid them both. Use whole grain products and raw sugar or honey at home and avoid them if possible when dining out.
Marc

Rudy40

NSAIDS = Gut Burners. IMHO. A decent tumeric supplement has helped with my joint pain (bilateral rotator cuff impingement). Due diligence, as always.

OldTryGuy

I call it Brick Bread....looks like one, almost has the weight of one ....Mestemacher | Product Line

IMO, really good stuff. With 0 sugars and good ingredients it is a great alternative to white bread.

MoAlpha

Was brought up on various shades and brands that stuff by my German-born dad. We still eat it, especially layered with cheese and toasted under the broiler, as an accompaniment to a hearty soup. Delicious for an occasional treat.

1989Pre 

Yep...turmeric capsules (that I pack myself because it's cheaper) and a black pepper capsules to take with them. Black pepper increases the effectiveness of the turmeric. This combination is supposed to be one of nature's most powerful anti-inflammatories.

Outside of that, I'll go with what Marc said: "I do what I can to avoid them (white sugar, white bread) both. Use whole grain products and raw sugar or honey at home and avoid them if possible when dining out."

OldTryGuy

YES, turmeric AND black pepper AND actually by adding black pepper to anything one eats will help increase absorption since it has the ability to slow down the nutrient absorption time frame.

There are MANY anti-inflammatory spices and foods that can be included in one's diet. They have allowed me to stay away from DRUGS my doctors were more than willing to prescribe.

John E

Most of the folks in this thread have the right idea.

Replace white flour with whole grains. Eliminate white sugar from the diet.
Turmeric, black pepper, and other spices are your friends.

oddjob2

https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/0...o-gluten-free/

Daspydyr 

I am enjoying the interaction (Friendly indeed) and the advice. Please feel free to keep contributing.

What is this GOOGLE you mention, a new GlutenFree diet?

MoAlpha

Surprise, surprise!

jmiked

I generally avoid most white bread, but I have to avoid whole wheat because I'm on a renal diet (I only have one kidney, have to go easy, I want the thing to last as long as possible). Wheat bread is too high in potassium and phosphorus for me to indulge regularly. I mainly buy French (or Italian) bread loaves at the local bakery... there isn't any sugar in the ingredients list.

OldsCOOL

Cut out all pie consumption.

White flour and sugar.

DrRobert

You will see all kinds of alternative therapies and diets for arthritis, most of which have never been subject to double blind scientific evaluation. As long as they don't hurt the body one could try them. Any positive effect, even if placebo/psychogical is still a positive.

Personally, I avoid white starch like the plague and I encourage others to do the same. They have a high glycemic index and are one of the leading causes of hyperglycemia (high blood sugar) or type II diabetes (IMO) in obese people. The only potatoes I eat are sweet potatoes (which aren't potatoes at all), and low glycemic index starches like jasmine rice, whole wheat pasta, etc. I have not researched any scientific studies to validate the claim about inflammation.

Use of NSAIDS such as Ibuprofen should not be done cavalierly. Chronic use of these drugs can definitely affect liver function. Also keep in mind they are not solving the problem, in some cases the result of pain relief is continual re-injury.

Chondroitin/glucosamine/MSM are nutritional approaches to arthritis that can benefit but depends on type of arthritis and duration. Once the cartilage is eroded there is not much you can do.

Obesity, poor nutrition, lack of exercise and artificial joints seem to be trending in America.

Biker395 

I had the same reaction.

I believe claims that are backed by double blind clinical trials. All else is intrigue.

More of what I mean:

MoAlpha

Some truly staggering disinformation there, most of it copied verbatim from disease to disease. AIDS is caused by multiple vague factors, including birth trauma, and treatment for "brain cancer" starts with a colon cleanse.