ascherer 

Ditto that - I'm west side in the low 100s. You can try my Pro and International, assuming I get the IGH issue sorted. Tom and I may be riding together tomorrow (2/23), want to come?

3alarmer 

...look for chrome Paramount.



...if you want an Italian made frame that has more clearance and longer geometry, you need to look for 60's-70's stuff.
I don't know of many Italian touring geometry bikes, although Bianchi sold something called the Randonneur that's close, but made for them in Japan.

RiddleOfSteel

You could find a tired-looking (but structurally sound) '70s P15-9 Paramount frameset and have canti / center pull posts brazed onto it for 700C or 650B wheels and go from there. P15s have a 44.0cm chainstay length (measured to the center of the dropouts). If any P15 is like mine, the frame feels very strong, but provides an excellent ride with confidence at any speed. They'll take 700x35 tires (on a 23mm wide rim) and likely wider with a 650 setup. As I've stated a million times around BF, mine was tired, received repairs, and is my best bike.

PX-10s of this era are pretty much the same in spec, if my briefly-owned '74 64cm version was anything to go by (73° angles, 44cm chainstay, DB 531, Nervex Pro lugs, 60cm TT).

Cimmarons may be well made (they get their name on the headbadge, so that's a good thing), but having ridden and lifted one, I am not a fan. Depending on the riding you want to do or like, you'll have to see. I found them incredibly heavy. Their ride and handling can be characterized as "lumbering." Now, I would imagine that a newer, stiffer set of 26" wheels and some killer Compass tires would shave tons of weight of rotating mass and greatly improve the responsiveness of the bike. From there, you still have to deal with geometry, so maybe it still is a '70s Cadillac in the movement department. Vintage MTBs have some odd proportions, especially at my height. A touring bike always looks better for big tire duty.

mountaindave 

A Schwinn Paramount with chromed Nervex lugs and socks would be hard to pass up in my book.

I picked up a tired Centurion Pro Tour to somewhat mollify my desire for the above. My ‘79 comes with chrome lugs and socks, pinstripes, and brazed on mounts for centerpull brakes. The last makes it much easier to do the 27” to 700c conversion which allows for 38mm tires without fenders. Not sure what it would do with fenders or potentially a 650b conversion as I haven’t had the opportunity to play with it yet... and a Motobecane Grand Jubile needs to be pulled out of its box and loved a little first... first world problems.

Roypercy

You can't go wrong with a Motobecane Grand Jubilee (or Jubilé, depending on the year). Around 1979 they switched from Reynolds 531 to Vitus 172. I had a Vitus GJ (an 82 I think) and it was a very nice riding bike with tons of character.

Chr0m0ly 

Darcybuck posted his 710 650B here in this thread:
1982 Miyata 610 as 650b Randonneur?



Even the same year!

looks like he was able to fit 38mm tires, limited by the chain stays, but looking at the thread there seems to be enough space to fit fenders.


I really like the idea of a Moto Grand Jubelee and there is one for sale on the forum, but it looks like one of the years with steeper geometry. I think it’s 74/74 degrees HT and ST.

I like the cimerra in theory, but wouldn’t want something heavy or too sluggish. That thread has some beauties though.

What I’d most like to check out is something along the lines of a PX-10, a slackish Moto or Raleigh, and a Fuji could be a contender. Something from the ‘60’s or 70’s sounds about right.

Chr0m0ly 

Shoot! I just missed your invite, but I’d love to meet up with you guys! I’m on the West side in the 140’s and I take the Hudson River Greenway down to BMCC 6 days week. (Ok I’m working up to 6 days, I’m at three days a week so far...)

noglider 

Chr0m0ly You roll two blocks from my home. I'm on Greenwich St, and I go the other way, to Hunter College. We might even pass each other. I'll send you a PM, or you send me an email.

Nemosengineer 

Hard to go wrong with a Bob Jackson World Tour.

ascherer 

Black and chrome - like a tuxedo on wheels.

Chr0m0ly 

Would an ‘86 Raleigh Crested Butte be about the same as the Schwinn Cimerron?







This looks like a good candidate for a dropped bar monster cross type of a build...

tricky 

Chr0m0ly , the BIanchi Volpe might be worth a look. Middle tier, and marketed as a CX bike, but it comes with lowrider mounts on the fork and I know a couple folks that tour and commute on them. However, I am not sure if they ever made any of them in Italy.

Cougrrcj

Didn't I already say that in line # 13 above? '77-earlier P-15 Touring Paramount FTW!! Chrome socks set it off!!!

RiddleOfSteel

You did! Hahaha, I just missed it!

ctak

I'd love to see higher res pics of the frame. Beautiful build

SurferRosa

Yes. Check out the '80 and '81. They're not full Vitus 172 in the rear triangle, but they're very lightweight and strong bikes. The workmanship/finish is top notch.

Insidious C. 

Sounds like you need a Dawes Galaxy.

Dfrost 

First, apologies to Chr0m0ly if this becomes a thread ambush. And full credit gugie for all his lovely work, as well as the connection to Dave Cain of Waxwings bags.

Some highlights below, but many more photos can be found here:

https://dfrost.smugmug.com/Bicycles/...otos/i-Wk623zs

The whole thing works works fantastically well. Handling and steering are great, and get better (more stable at low speeds) as weight is added. Very easy to ride out of the saddle, in fact it seems to encourage that behavior. I’ve ridden it over 1800 miles since mods, usually with just the rack bag, but also including a small tour with low riders, and occasionally with a heavy (up to 25 lbs) load in the panniers. That tour was extremely windy, and the steering was good with panniers, although they were a bit of a sail when it hit from the side on a fast downhill.



All the work he performed using only the fork. The tasks:
Reraked fork to low trail, adding 8mm of rake.
Added braze-on posts for centerpull brake (Dia-Compe G)
Added second dropout eyelets for low-rider pannier rack (it already had fender eyelets)
Added mid-fork eyelets for front bag rack and low rider upper mount
Custom front bag rack using those centerpull posts as the upper attachment
Custom modular low-rider pannier rack (breaks down into three pieces that fit inside panniers for transport)
And one of Mark’s excellent stem sleeve-mounted decaleurs, incorporating threaded stop for the front brake housing since my headset stack is short.
Fork was powder-coated gloss black after its mods and I reapplied gold fork crown highlighting.

The pannier rack tops are actually level and parallel to the bag rack, unlike what this photo angle implies.




Mark inverted his decaleur design, with my tubes going up instead of down, which fits my big frame+tall bars beautifully. Mark and Dave Cain coordinated so that bag, rack and decaleur would fit.


Complete but without the low riders and fenders. SKS fenders fit nicely over the 700x28’s.

ctak

Those Smug pics provide outstanding detail, thanks

Chr0m0ly 

I have ZERO problems with this thread hosting a gugified Miyata. 🙌

Senior Ryder 00 

You may want to try a 60s to early 70s English club racer. These were often double duty bike which were daily transport as well as weekend racers. I have two; a 1964 Holdsworth Typhoon and a 1966 Eddie Soens. I've found them to be quick and stable. Also, since they were designed for 27in tyres, they'll fit larger 700cs. I also have a mid 70s English tourer that is the most stable and comfortable bike in my collection.

Another avenue you might want to pursue is an Eisentraut. Even the Limiteds are great performers.

Enjoy your venture.

Cheers,

Van