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Good on your wife for knowing what she wants.
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Women are unlikely to adopt cycling in mass.
Women who are cycling get leared at and approached by any number of creep cagers.
Then there is the chance of potential victimization of the female cyclist. Cycling is sometimes safe for men, it's never very safe for women. It's a dangerous hobby.
Women who are cycling get leared at and approached by any number of creep cagers.
Then there is the chance of potential victimization of the female cyclist. Cycling is sometimes safe for men, it's never very safe for women. It's a dangerous hobby.
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I'm a woman, and I've been cycling for 45 years now ... since I was 6 years old.
How did I get into it?
My parents put me on a bicycle when I was 6, and I just kept riding.
For me ... it's normal.
Happily, we see quite a few women cycling in the area where my husband and I live now.
How did I get into it?
My parents put me on a bicycle when I was 6, and I just kept riding.
For me ... it's normal.
Happily, we see quite a few women cycling in the area where my husband and I live now.
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I think if you took cycling and changed it a bit by making the bikes stationary, putting a bunch of them in a small brightly lit room with loud music, and having an instructor at the front of the room with a microphone calling out instructions, that possibly more women would take interest.
Women seem to value the group/social aspect of fitness and exercise more than men. Go to your local gym and peek in the yoga, zumba, pilates, or spinning classes and see how many women vs men are in there.
Find a way to bring that aspect more to actual outdoor cycling, and maybe more women will get involved.
Women seem to value the group/social aspect of fitness and exercise more than men. Go to your local gym and peek in the yoga, zumba, pilates, or spinning classes and see how many women vs men are in there.
Find a way to bring that aspect more to actual outdoor cycling, and maybe more women will get involved.
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I will say, as a woman, when you are alone (either running, cycling, walking down the street, sitting in a restaurant, riding the bus, you name it), a part of you is constantly on high-alert for potential harassment. Always. It's exhausting, but unfortunately just the way it is. This is partially why you often see groups of women doing activities together - biking, running, etc. There is safety in numbers.
This is exactly why Sorella Cycling is so popular in Atlanta.
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I think if you took cycling and changed it a bit by making the bikes stationary, putting a bunch of them in a small brightly lit room with loud music, and having an instructor at the front of the room with a microphone calling out instructions, that possibly more women would take interest.
Women seem to value the group/social aspect of fitness and exercise more than men. Go to your local gym and peek in the yoga, zumba, pilates, or spinning classes and see how many women vs men are in there.
Find a way to bring that aspect more to actual outdoor cycling, and maybe more women will get involved.
Women seem to value the group/social aspect of fitness and exercise more than men. Go to your local gym and peek in the yoga, zumba, pilates, or spinning classes and see how many women vs men are in there.
Find a way to bring that aspect more to actual outdoor cycling, and maybe more women will get involved.
-- it is safer and less stressful than cycling outside, or at least it is perceived as such.
-- it is a 50 minute class with a bit of stretching after, and then you're done, so it isn't that much of a time commitment.
-- gyms are often conveniently located to work or university or wherever the women are.
-- if the gym has a childcare facility, even better!
-- the group isn't going to drop you in a spinning class ... you're all there together at the end no matter what kind of effort you put in, or didn't feel up to putting in.
-- you don't need to worry about weather and all sorts of extra clothing and packing and preparing ... you can toss a pair of tights, a tank top, a towel, and a water bottle into a bag and you're set.
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Plenty of women cycle in Philly. I see them all the time while commuting and running errands. The bike share program has increased that number. Lots of women also participate in club rides. Been on and/or led hundreds of club rides since 2005. Only once did I see a guy aggressively try to get a woman's digits. A few of us chuckled silently because we knew she way gay. There is even a women's cycling club:
Sturdy Girl Cycling - Philadelphia Cycling Club for Women
Things are way different than when I started riding for sport back in the mid-80s. Seeing women on sport rides was not common like it is today. They were more common on transportation/commuting rides, but still not nearly as prevalent as men.
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Things are way different than when I started riding for sport back in the mid-80s. Seeing women on sport rides was not common like it is today. They were more common on transportation/commuting rides, but still not nearly as prevalent as men.
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Start a club like Sorella Cycling in Atlanta.
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Women on Bikes
I didn’t read the article or listen to the podcast, and I wouldn’t presume to know what “women (cyclists) really want.” However, I have previously posted,
I also made this observation in reply to a thread on the Fifty-Plus Forum, "50+ the way that it used to be,"
Finally, on a personal note, I started out in my cycling lifestyle mainly as a cycle tourist, and soon thereafter my then-girlfriend-now-wife followed, though I think she had a personal inclination to pick up cycling back then.
So maybe as a couple of posts suggest, a personal relationship might be the necessary inducement.
However, in the sense of be careful what you wish for:
Hey, guys (and I know you're mostly men). This essay from Eben Weiss about normalizing bicycles led me to this article about the gender gap in urban cycling, which led me indirectly to this podcast about women cycling…
So what do you think? How can we get more women on the road? Or do you guys prefer the He-Man Woman Hater's Club? If so, why?
So what do you think? How can we get more women on the road? Or do you guys prefer the He-Man Woman Hater's Club? If so, why?
Is this a real problem? I like to run as well as cycle. I can't convince my wife to to do either of those activities. She prefers tennis, so I encourage her to do that.
I don't know.
There is a large group of female joggers that seem to be home mid-day for jogging.
But, I think for sheer exercise, many women would select jogging over cycling. And, those that don't have to work likely would choose to drive rather than cycle to the store.
There is a large group of female joggers that seem to be home mid-day for jogging.
But, I think for sheer exercise, many women would select jogging over cycling. And, those that don't have to work likely would choose to drive rather than cycle to the store.
I have on occasion posted this observation about gender specific exercise from my early morning commute (~6-7AM) from downtown Boston to a suburb:
Among the cycling commuters that I see I would say the men outnumber the women by a greater ratio, [at least 5 to 1, if not as high as 10 to 1] though in much fewer numbers, maybe about one cyclist for every 40-50 runners.
My estimates of joggers and cyclists are a general observation made over the seasons, though I do “guesstimate” the gender during the cold weather.
My estimates of joggers and cyclists are a general observation made over the seasons, though I do “guesstimate” the gender during the cold weather.
… In Ann Arbor MI in the 70’s I really realized the utility of bicycles for commuting, and began touring on a five-speed Schwinn Suburban, but soon bought a Mercier as did my girlfriend, later my wife. We toured in Michigan and Ontario.
In 1977 we moved to Boston on our bikes, as a bicycling honeymoon from Los Angeles to Washington, DC and then took the train up to Boston. We have toured in New England and the Maritime Provinces, and one trip to the Delmarva peninsula.
In 1977 we moved to Boston on our bikes, as a bicycling honeymoon from Los Angeles to Washington, DC and then took the train up to Boston. We have toured in New England and the Maritime Provinces, and one trip to the Delmarva peninsula.
Touring companions
… We initially toured together as BF-GF, and our honeymoon was a cross-country tour. I don’t think you can find a better (socially) matched companion, and she was a good rider.
… We initially toured together as BF-GF, and our honeymoon was a cross-country tour. I don’t think you can find a better (socially) matched companion, and she was a good rider.
The club I ride with has a lot of women in it. It helps that the founder/leader is a woman -- I think that's crucial to attracting more female participation in lots of things.
Iwill say, as a woman, when you are alone ...a part of you is constantly on high-alert for potential harassment. Always. It's exhausting, but unfortunately just the way it is.
This is partially why you often see groups of women doing activities together - biking, running, etc. There is safetyin numbers.
This is partially why you often see groups of women doing activities together - biking, running, etc. There is safetyin numbers.
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However, I don't proselytize about cycling. I posted to this A&S thread, “How can we get more people riding their bikes?.”
I’m going to be a Captain Bringdown to this thread, but I just posted yesterday to this Commuting thread, ”Beginner Commuting In a Big City,” given the state of current Road transportation,Public exhortations to cycle-commute, or utility cycle are well and good with no individual responsibility for bad outcomes, but I would not want the recriminations of a personal endorsement if something bad happened.
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I'm a woman, and I've been cycling for 45 years now ... since I was 6 years old.
How did I get into it?
My parents put me on a bicycle when I was 6, and I just kept riding.
For me ... it's normal.
Happily, we see quite a few women cycling in the area where my husband and I live now.
How did I get into it?
My parents put me on a bicycle when I was 6, and I just kept riding.
For me ... it's normal.
Happily, we see quite a few women cycling in the area where my husband and I live now.
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Good for Philly. The OP asked how to get more women on bikes. Women specific clubs are the number one way.
Women want to ride with other women. When they see happy women enjoying themselves they want to participate too. It is as simple as that.
This model is also what got lots of black people into cycling in Atlanta. Their rides are huge. They are open to anyone but it is no secret that it is a predominantly black club and they actively promote cycling as a sport and hobby within the community.
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Women want to ride with other women. When they see happy women enjoying themselves they want to participate too. It is as simple as that.
This model is also what got lots of black people into cycling in Atlanta. Their rides are huge. They are open to anyone but it is no secret that it is a predominantly black club and they actively promote cycling as a sport and hobby within the community.
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I believe it starts earlier in life when we teach our sons about cars, mechanics, building, and electronics. Yet "We" check the oil, change the tire, fix everything for our daughters. So a multi speed bicycle seems more complex and sometimes intimidating. I have two sons and two daughters, my girls were trained/taught to be as fearless as my boys. But whether they choose to ride or not will be based on desire and not intimidation with no need for organizations, committees, associations , and the like.
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Re: Grands Tours
The issue is marketing. Someone has to pay those women, pay the teams … those are sponsors. And mixing the Tours might create more sponsorship but it might just be crazy confusion. And once the men caught up … where would the cameras go? On some stages, particularly climbing stages, there are so many groups of riders it is hard to follow already.
The breakaway splits, and splits again, and a group attacks the peloton, and another group tries to bridge, and then the rGC guys start going at it … but they are way behind the race for the stage, where about five different groups are moving up or falling back.
Add in a whole ‘nother race, and someone if not everyone will get short-changed.
On top of that the sponsorship has to be there first. Which means the exposure has to be guaranteed before the sponsors would fork over the money.
If sending a squad for a day is expensive, a week, or three—more mechanicals, more fatigue, more support staff needed, more vehicles, more fuel, more lodging and food—it is all RoI for the sponsors, and if they thought it was worth it they’d already be doing it.
I don’t know why there isn’t more interest in women’s pro cycling. I wish there was, because I’d have more cycling to watch—but there isn’t.
Also—and anyone who thinks this is sexist is … never mind … well, why didn’t Rafa Nadal ever play Serena Williams?
Men on average are larger and stronger. I am sure Serena Williams could have trained to play five sets—she is an athlete. But ....
But look at sport in general—weightlifting, high-jumping, mixed martial arts, sprinting, even marathoning …. Men, by dint of being a few percent larger and commensurately stronger (more muscle mass per pound as a rule) tend to be a few percentage points faster, running or jumping.
Not saying “Men are better” or any such crap … but the female athletes train just as hard and long and with all the same science and nutrition info and all that … and the men seem to perform a little better.
That is why the women might not be able to do the same courses and schedule as the men. If they were an extra hour on the bike each day, they would be that much more fatigued, have that much less recovery time, transit times would be tighter …. The women might need shorter stages.
Also … trying to run two Grands Tours in one country in one year …. People come from all over Europe and a good portion from other countries to see the Grands Tours. Not sure a lot of people could afford to do it twice in a year. Of course those people aren’t buying tickets, but they create the event, and the event creates publicity. And publicity pays sponsors.
Not sure what the answer is. I’d like to see “Women’s Classics”—they could be run the day before the men’s Classics or monuments, when hopefully people would already be in the region to see the men.
I’d like to see more independent women’s stage races, maybe on three-day weekends or four or five days in the summer, like the shorter mens’ stage races … the hard part would be scheduling, because it seems to me that more people would watch one of the lead-ups to the Tour (Tour de Suisse, Tour of Romandie) in order to assess the form of the Tour favorites, than watch a women’s race full of people they don’t know.
Obviously it can be done—women’s soccer, women’s tennis, softball, volleyball, … I saw some awesome women’s Aussie-rules football last week. I have seen women’s cricket. And obviously women are on par with the men or near to it in track and field and winter sports.
I don’t see a way to run dual meets at the stage races though.
As far as the rest … I really don’t think women are less safe than men on the road. (There weren’t many women in “Deliverance.” ) I think any cyclist faces the same percentage of ignorant drivers, and most drivers don’t stop, so they don’t even know who they are yelling at.
I think that possibly fewer women want to cycle competitively because women are less interested in general in competitive sports—whether that is culture or character or both, I cannot say.
Possibly also there is the perception that cycling has a dirty mechanical/technical side—again not sure if it is just cultural, but most women I have met (and I have met a Lot, doing everything from cooking in restaurants to landscaping to martial arts to cycling to yoga) didn’t seem inclined to mess with greasy mechanicals.
Also, in our culture a Lot of emphasis is placed on a woman’s appearance, and unfortunately the thing we define as “beauty” is often highly stylized and artificial. Not many women are going to want to commute with full hair, nails, and makeup, and not many are going to want to get to the office drenched in sweat and have to try to look “beautiful” for work.
Men can towel off, comb their hair, and be ready. Big difference.
In a place like the Netherlands, cycling is part of the culture. Even there I am not sure ladies in $200 pumps are riding to the office … but the distances are shorter, the roads are safer (in terms of traffic) and the culture in general allows for the time it takes to get to places by bike.
Not sure at all … but maybe the biggest factor in preventing men and women from cycling on the road is traffic.
Again, please don’t label me as “sexist” but it seems that men are trained to be more aggressive and to react to fear with combat … so a man whose buddy says “Come on give it a try” won’t admit (maybe) to being scared when a car buzzed by at 45 mph.
Possibly women are less prone to risk-taking and more able to say “that is freaking scary,” where a guy will just clench and relax and keep going and pretend. In both cases it is a matter of acclimatization … pretty soon you get used to the cars going by. But ladies might need to really convince their friends—“Look, I do it every day and I am fine. It only Seems scary.”
Otherwise … all I can do is echo what others have said. Start a cycling club and keep promoting it even if no one ever joins. Post rides online on whatever community calendars might be in your area and always be there early and leave a little late and see if anyone shows up. Work with local bike shops … I don’t know.
The issue is marketing. Someone has to pay those women, pay the teams … those are sponsors. And mixing the Tours might create more sponsorship but it might just be crazy confusion. And once the men caught up … where would the cameras go? On some stages, particularly climbing stages, there are so many groups of riders it is hard to follow already.
The breakaway splits, and splits again, and a group attacks the peloton, and another group tries to bridge, and then the rGC guys start going at it … but they are way behind the race for the stage, where about five different groups are moving up or falling back.
Add in a whole ‘nother race, and someone if not everyone will get short-changed.
On top of that the sponsorship has to be there first. Which means the exposure has to be guaranteed before the sponsors would fork over the money.
If sending a squad for a day is expensive, a week, or three—more mechanicals, more fatigue, more support staff needed, more vehicles, more fuel, more lodging and food—it is all RoI for the sponsors, and if they thought it was worth it they’d already be doing it.
I don’t know why there isn’t more interest in women’s pro cycling. I wish there was, because I’d have more cycling to watch—but there isn’t.
Also—and anyone who thinks this is sexist is … never mind … well, why didn’t Rafa Nadal ever play Serena Williams?
Men on average are larger and stronger. I am sure Serena Williams could have trained to play five sets—she is an athlete. But ....
But look at sport in general—weightlifting, high-jumping, mixed martial arts, sprinting, even marathoning …. Men, by dint of being a few percent larger and commensurately stronger (more muscle mass per pound as a rule) tend to be a few percentage points faster, running or jumping.
Not saying “Men are better” or any such crap … but the female athletes train just as hard and long and with all the same science and nutrition info and all that … and the men seem to perform a little better.
That is why the women might not be able to do the same courses and schedule as the men. If they were an extra hour on the bike each day, they would be that much more fatigued, have that much less recovery time, transit times would be tighter …. The women might need shorter stages.
Also … trying to run two Grands Tours in one country in one year …. People come from all over Europe and a good portion from other countries to see the Grands Tours. Not sure a lot of people could afford to do it twice in a year. Of course those people aren’t buying tickets, but they create the event, and the event creates publicity. And publicity pays sponsors.
Not sure what the answer is. I’d like to see “Women’s Classics”—they could be run the day before the men’s Classics or monuments, when hopefully people would already be in the region to see the men.
I’d like to see more independent women’s stage races, maybe on three-day weekends or four or five days in the summer, like the shorter mens’ stage races … the hard part would be scheduling, because it seems to me that more people would watch one of the lead-ups to the Tour (Tour de Suisse, Tour of Romandie) in order to assess the form of the Tour favorites, than watch a women’s race full of people they don’t know.
Obviously it can be done—women’s soccer, women’s tennis, softball, volleyball, … I saw some awesome women’s Aussie-rules football last week. I have seen women’s cricket. And obviously women are on par with the men or near to it in track and field and winter sports.
I don’t see a way to run dual meets at the stage races though.
As far as the rest … I really don’t think women are less safe than men on the road. (There weren’t many women in “Deliverance.” ) I think any cyclist faces the same percentage of ignorant drivers, and most drivers don’t stop, so they don’t even know who they are yelling at.
I think that possibly fewer women want to cycle competitively because women are less interested in general in competitive sports—whether that is culture or character or both, I cannot say.
Possibly also there is the perception that cycling has a dirty mechanical/technical side—again not sure if it is just cultural, but most women I have met (and I have met a Lot, doing everything from cooking in restaurants to landscaping to martial arts to cycling to yoga) didn’t seem inclined to mess with greasy mechanicals.
Also, in our culture a Lot of emphasis is placed on a woman’s appearance, and unfortunately the thing we define as “beauty” is often highly stylized and artificial. Not many women are going to want to commute with full hair, nails, and makeup, and not many are going to want to get to the office drenched in sweat and have to try to look “beautiful” for work.
Men can towel off, comb their hair, and be ready. Big difference.
In a place like the Netherlands, cycling is part of the culture. Even there I am not sure ladies in $200 pumps are riding to the office … but the distances are shorter, the roads are safer (in terms of traffic) and the culture in general allows for the time it takes to get to places by bike.
Not sure at all … but maybe the biggest factor in preventing men and women from cycling on the road is traffic.
Again, please don’t label me as “sexist” but it seems that men are trained to be more aggressive and to react to fear with combat … so a man whose buddy says “Come on give it a try” won’t admit (maybe) to being scared when a car buzzed by at 45 mph.
Possibly women are less prone to risk-taking and more able to say “that is freaking scary,” where a guy will just clench and relax and keep going and pretend. In both cases it is a matter of acclimatization … pretty soon you get used to the cars going by. But ladies might need to really convince their friends—“Look, I do it every day and I am fine. It only Seems scary.”
Otherwise … all I can do is echo what others have said. Start a cycling club and keep promoting it even if no one ever joins. Post rides online on whatever community calendars might be in your area and always be there early and leave a little late and see if anyone shows up. Work with local bike shops … I don’t know.
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I've wondered about that. Perhaps start the women an hour early on the same course... So the fans will be out for both races. The men might pass them somewhere along the way, perhaps implement a no cross drafting rule. But, it could make for a great day... well... a great month.
No doubt we'd see a new group of women cyclists that were truly spectacular on the road.
No doubt we'd see a new group of women cyclists that were truly spectacular on the road.
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That said, most of the women I know simply prefer running. I've heard less upfront cost, more perceived safety, better workout for the same amount of time spent doing it, far more organized events, and perhaps most importantly, it is what their friends are already doing. It isn't easy to get a group people invested in and continuing on with any new sport or hobby.
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My cycling club, Thread City Cyclers...Willimantic, CT, has about 170 members. I'd be surprised if at least 70 of them weren't women.
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I've never noticed a gender gap in cycling. Our local cycling group has about 50% or more women.
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Saddle/fit issues dominate in our household.
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More power to the women who ride. I started riding again 18 years ago when I turned 50. I rode with two sisters, one of which was my wife's colleague from work. Being an overweight middle age couch potato, but an ex-bike racer, it was embarrassing having them wait for me on the big hills. Their patience and understanding, made me a better rider. We did lots of charity and training rides together, and I was even accepted as an honorary member of their "50s Chicks" team. Good times. One sister has moved on to yoga and stopped riding, but the other sister and I do several club rides a week, enjoying the miles and smiles. At first it was weird, because their husbands are not riders, and my wife doesn't ride either. The spouses have been very supportive, and understanding. One other thing, last Saturday, I rode the Solvang half century in rain all day, and was amazed by the ratio of women to men riders, I think it was more than 50% women. Go girls!
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I think this is one reason why my wife doesn't ride a bike. She grew up with her mom (dad passed at 26 years old from an accident) and she and her brother never really rode bikes growing up. So it can be a "family" or "cultural thing" as well. And its not gender specific.
Her brother still doesn't ride bikes either. I was the opposite like you. I think I actually got rid of training wheels at 6 and remember riding in the basement and outside of a big apartment building when I was young
Her brother still doesn't ride bikes either. I was the opposite like you. I think I actually got rid of training wheels at 6 and remember riding in the basement and outside of a big apartment building when I was young
I believe it starts earlier in life when we teach our sons about cars, mechanics, building, and electronics. Yet "We" check the oil, change the tire, fix everything for our daughters. So a multi speed bicycle seems more complex and sometimes intimidating.
I have two sons and two daughters, my girls were trained/taught to be as fearless as my boys. But whether they choose to ride or not will be based on desire and not intimidation with no need for organizations, committees, associations, and the like.
I have two sons and two daughters, my girls were trained/taught to be as fearless as my boys. But whether they choose to ride or not will be based on desire and not intimidation with no need for organizations, committees, associations, and the like.
I had posted,
… I started out in my cycling lifestyle mainly as a cycle tourist, and soon thereafter my then-girlfriend-now-wife followed, though I think she had a personal inclination to pick up cycling back then…
So maybe as a couple of posts suggest, a personal relationship might be the necessary inducement….
So maybe as a couple of posts suggest, a personal relationship might be the necessary inducement….
My wife was lucky to find me, I guess.
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