How do you transition from racer to enthusiast rider?
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Maybe take the Phil Gaimon route and go after Strava KOMs? I know a couple of 50+ fellows who held or still hold many local KOMs. They're strong and fast but don't race. One won't even participate in most group rides. I can see why after trying some fast group rides myself. Too many cowboys.
Age, illness and injury solved that dilemma for me. When I resumed cycling a few years ago after a 30+ year hiatus I figured it would take a year to get back into good enough shape for competing in my age class. Nope. Not even close. It took me four years to get back into any kind of shape that might be suitable for competing over age 60.
At 62 I'm usually among the oldest of the folks I ride with, but even the guys my age who stayed in shape are still much stronger. Anytime I join a group ride that averages faster than 16 mph, it's not a question of whether I'll get dropped, but when. Usually very quickly. When I first tried riding with the A group, I might last 5 miles. Now it's usually 15-20 miles before I get dropped. But it depends on group etiquette. One group has predetermined regroup points. And they ride pretty steadily even when it's a brisk pace. There's always one guy who gripes that the ride isn't fast enough to suit him, but the ride leader won't drop stragglers unless the slow folks say it's okay and wave the pack ahead.
The other group claims to be a no-drop ride, but that never works out. There are always a few guys up front hammering and the pack starts to accordion -- accelerating, slamming on the brakes, sprinting, braking, etc. Nobody calling out road hazards (nearly clobbered some traffic cones the other evening). They pause briefly at the turnaround -- just long enough for the fastest riders to get the longest rest break -- then immediately resume hammering when the last guy drags in. So the last guys always get dropped immediately on the return trip.
That pretty much clinched my decision to never race crits again at any level. It's not a matter of winning or doing well. It's dangerous to everyone -- me and other riders -- if I'm hanging on by my fingernails in a bunch and my reflexes are impaired by exhaustion.
I might try some time trials, but no more crits or reckless hammerfest group rides. A year long recovery from a broken and dislocated shoulder and neck injury after being hit by a car last year reminded me I ain't young enough for that stuff anymore.
Age, illness and injury solved that dilemma for me. When I resumed cycling a few years ago after a 30+ year hiatus I figured it would take a year to get back into good enough shape for competing in my age class. Nope. Not even close. It took me four years to get back into any kind of shape that might be suitable for competing over age 60.
At 62 I'm usually among the oldest of the folks I ride with, but even the guys my age who stayed in shape are still much stronger. Anytime I join a group ride that averages faster than 16 mph, it's not a question of whether I'll get dropped, but when. Usually very quickly. When I first tried riding with the A group, I might last 5 miles. Now it's usually 15-20 miles before I get dropped. But it depends on group etiquette. One group has predetermined regroup points. And they ride pretty steadily even when it's a brisk pace. There's always one guy who gripes that the ride isn't fast enough to suit him, but the ride leader won't drop stragglers unless the slow folks say it's okay and wave the pack ahead.
The other group claims to be a no-drop ride, but that never works out. There are always a few guys up front hammering and the pack starts to accordion -- accelerating, slamming on the brakes, sprinting, braking, etc. Nobody calling out road hazards (nearly clobbered some traffic cones the other evening). They pause briefly at the turnaround -- just long enough for the fastest riders to get the longest rest break -- then immediately resume hammering when the last guy drags in. So the last guys always get dropped immediately on the return trip.
That pretty much clinched my decision to never race crits again at any level. It's not a matter of winning or doing well. It's dangerous to everyone -- me and other riders -- if I'm hanging on by my fingernails in a bunch and my reflexes are impaired by exhaustion.
I might try some time trials, but no more crits or reckless hammerfest group rides. A year long recovery from a broken and dislocated shoulder and neck injury after being hit by a car last year reminded me I ain't young enough for that stuff anymore.
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Now that I'm approaching 60, I think I've decided that it's time to grow up. For decades, I've raced bikes of some sort. Kept a meticulous daily training log. Tracked my ATL and CTL every single day. No . . . didn't just track them. Lived by them. Obsessively. Feared what would happen if I missed a workout. Lived in terror of a missed week. And, approaching 60, the consequences of missed workouts just become greater. For 2020, I just plan to ride two gran fondos and lots of weekly group rides. No racing. (But I still like riding hard group rides with the fast young guys.)
But here's my question: How do I stop the daily obsession and the need to be fast? It's practically a lifelong habit. A lot of my identity has been wrapped up in it. And I suspect I will have to cut down radically on caloric intake to maintain a decent body composition. How do you happily move from obsessively-trained racer to being a respectable enthusiast rider (with a better life-training balance)? If it were a bad habit, it would be easier to quit cold turkey. But I don't want to quit cycling. I just want to enjoy it in a new, better balanced way. Is it possible?
But here's my question: How do I stop the daily obsession and the need to be fast? It's practically a lifelong habit. A lot of my identity has been wrapped up in it. And I suspect I will have to cut down radically on caloric intake to maintain a decent body composition. How do you happily move from obsessively-trained racer to being a respectable enthusiast rider (with a better life-training balance)? If it were a bad habit, it would be easier to quit cold turkey. But I don't want to quit cycling. I just want to enjoy it in a new, better balanced way. Is it possible?
Getting old is hard to deal with, but for most it comes gradually and other than health issues it’s very pleasant not being in a hurry all the time. I never ride my road bike anymore just ride heavy slow bikes that there is no possibility of going fast on except downhill.
I really enjoy this type of riding get about 1500-2000 miles a year and stay in good enough shape to be able to tour when I can, which is my current addiction. I still keep mileage stats. but don’t track speed or avg.
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Oh, man. You guys are killing me!
I HAVE seriously considered selling my racing bike and making my OPEN into my do-it-all, maybe only bike. On the OPEN, I'm too slow to race or stay with the young guys on the fast group rides. I'm not sure I'm ready to be a 'bent person. I don't even wear cardigans!
I HAVE seriously considered selling my racing bike and making my OPEN into my do-it-all, maybe only bike. On the OPEN, I'm too slow to race or stay with the young guys on the fast group rides. I'm not sure I'm ready to be a 'bent person. I don't even wear cardigans!
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That's kind of where I am now . . . or where I would like to be. I still work as hard as I did five years ago, but I'm not as fast as I was five years ago. Training hard, good weather and bad, is worth it when you're getting even slightly faster. But when training hard doesn't quite keep you as fast . . . it becomes a chore. Even though I've worked my hardest to stay ahead of it, age has caught up.
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Flashbazbo, I went through the same struggle as you. Raced from age 22 to age 45 on the road and off road. Kept detailed training logs, obsessed over getting in training time each day. Most of the time I was over training, but did not realize it due to the obsession. Yes, I got faster most years, and reallized gains, but at age 50 something changed in my head and I no longer desired to beat the crap out of myself, but wanted to ride and enjoy the freedom.
It has been 10 years since then and I can say I still like a hard ride once or twice a week, but in no way do I have the desire to get out there regardless of the weather. No longer do I concern myself with missing a ride, and this year I finally tossed the pile of training logs! FREEDOM!
Racing served some need for a long time, but I have yet to define what that need was. So much happier going out to enjoy the ride. This fall I joined a gym for the first time in 40 years and can say I really, really like it. Not obsessed, but it feels good. Come spring I will split time on the bike with time in the gym. Also built a touring bike this summer and look forward to time spent riding and camping.
It has been 10 years since then and I can say I still like a hard ride once or twice a week, but in no way do I have the desire to get out there regardless of the weather. No longer do I concern myself with missing a ride, and this year I finally tossed the pile of training logs! FREEDOM!
Racing served some need for a long time, but I have yet to define what that need was. So much happier going out to enjoy the ride. This fall I joined a gym for the first time in 40 years and can say I really, really like it. Not obsessed, but it feels good. Come spring I will split time on the bike with time in the gym. Also built a touring bike this summer and look forward to time spent riding and camping.
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When I decided to slow down a few years ago, I bought a comfy, heavy bike: cro-moly steel frame and fork, overbuilt for light touring use, bomber wheelset, etc. Then I put on a handlebar bag and started carrying lots of cargo. It's kind of hard to go fast on such a bike, so it led me to a more casual mindset: I started slowing down, stopping to take photos, even sometimes carrying along a sandwich and stopping for lunch on the shore of a nearby lake.
By the way, it didn't work. The bike takes wide tires, which led me down more gravel roads. And then I decided to try this whole gravel racing thing. And then I bought a killer new gravel bike and started signing up for races. And then...Well, you get the idea.
By the way, it didn't work. The bike takes wide tires, which led me down more gravel roads. And then I decided to try this whole gravel racing thing. And then I bought a killer new gravel bike and started signing up for races. And then...Well, you get the idea.
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Are you near a velodrome? I wonder if you could get by with less volume (although higher intensity) for track.
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I never said I want to quit. To the contrary, I still intend to do a couple hard interval workouts every week. But I'm thinking that dropping from 14 hours per week on the bike to 7 hours might give me better work/training balance -- a better life. (And besides . . . why do 14-hour weeks if there are no races to win? It seems foolish.) But getting slower will be hard to deal with.
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This right here. Keep the training. Is someone forcing you?? Dude, I’m 62 and still logging the rides and watching for people to bump me down on Strava. My bikes are vintage criterium racers. Time will come when you cant ride fast so enjoy the hobby part of analyzing and pushing for PR’s.
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I know a lot of ex-pros in other sports that still love the game get into coaching.
Sounds like you have a wealth of knowledge and experience that could be passed down to a younger generation.
Sounds like you have a wealth of knowledge and experience that could be passed down to a younger generation.
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This right here. Keep the training. Is someone forcing you?? Dude, I’m 62 and still logging the rides and watching for people to bump me down on Strava. My bikes are vintage criterium racers. Time will come when you cant ride fast so enjoy the hobby part of analyzing and pushing for PR’s.
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In your defense here, you were on your last day of a challenging tour I can only dream about plus you were on a ‘bent when hitting that hill. Job well done!
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Well, while I don’t recommend it you could crash hard on the asphalt, break your femur neck and get a hip replacement on your strongest leg........You’ll be able to eventually ride again but the loss of top end speed, wattage and overall fitness during recovery might just get you mentally past not performing like you used too. Afterwards you’ll be able to stay with the faster riders on flats but hills and surges might be where you just let them go, sit up and enjoy the surroundings!!
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I was not a cyclist in my youth but I was a college QB and I have that competition gene. The way I stopped it was this....leave your Garmin or computer at home and just go ride.Pick a day or two to do a TT to get your competition fix.
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Now that I'm approaching 60, I think I've decided that it's time to grow up. For decades, I've raced bikes of some sort. Kept a meticulous daily training log. Tracked my ATL and CTL every single day. No . . . didn't just track them. Lived by them. Obsessively. Feared what would happen if I missed a workout. Lived in terror of a missed week. And, approaching 60, the consequences of missed workouts just become greater. For 2020, I just plan to ride two gran fondos and lots of weekly group rides. No racing. (But I still like riding hard group rides with the fast young guys.)
But here's my question: How do I stop the daily obsession and the need to be fast? It's practically a lifelong habit. A lot of my identity has been wrapped up in it. And I suspect I will have to cut down radically on caloric intake to maintain a decent body composition. How do you happily move from obsessively-trained racer to being a respectable enthusiast rider (with a better life-training balance)? If it were a bad habit, it would be easier to quit cold turkey. But I don't want to quit cycling. I just want to enjoy it in a new, better balanced way. Is it possible?
But here's my question: How do I stop the daily obsession and the need to be fast? It's practically a lifelong habit. A lot of my identity has been wrapped up in it. And I suspect I will have to cut down radically on caloric intake to maintain a decent body composition. How do you happily move from obsessively-trained racer to being a respectable enthusiast rider (with a better life-training balance)? If it were a bad habit, it would be easier to quit cold turkey. But I don't want to quit cycling. I just want to enjoy it in a new, better balanced way. Is it possible?
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Get a knee replacement. Guaranteed to slow you right down and let you smell the roses.
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That's kind of where I am now . . . or where I would like to be. I still work as hard as I did five years ago, but I'm not as fast as I was five years ago. Training hard, good weather and bad, is worth it when you're getting even slightly faster. But when training hard doesn't quite keep you as fast . . . it becomes a chore. Even though I've worked my hardest to stay ahead of it, age has caught up.
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Age 64 here. I've never been at your level in terms of bicycling, but I relate to the challenges along some different lines. The physical trainers where I live define fitness as "the ability to safety and comfortably meet the demands of one's daily work, and enjoy appropriate recreational pursuits within the limitations of talent and age." My chiropractor agrees in principle that that definition.
So a while back I began redefining goals and activities with that definition in mind. However, you have been a competitive cyclist (while I've been an enthusiast only). So for what it's worth I would suggest that you stay in the sport, and contribute to the sport.
To wit:
1. Stay in cycling for the fitness benefits, but reframe your goals to stay functionally fit for reduced riding plus other daily demands.
2. Begin investing what you know in others.
- Cycling: Is there a high school team nearby? Or, if there is not a team, is there a school nearby where might you sponsor one?
- Wrenching: chances are your knowledge of the mechanics can be passed on along with what you know about riding itself. Find those openings and give some kid "a leg up" with the tutelage of a wise mentor.
3. Recognize we all have to embrace our end-game. No matter what our life work, we can face the changes of aging with a plan that gives us a sense of dignity and worth on the way out, or, we can lapse into denial and stumble our way to the end without value to our-self or others. Your choice, that. I think you can glean which approach I'm taking.
Naturally all of this is offered as my humble opinion. If it helps so be it, if not, no sweat.
So a while back I began redefining goals and activities with that definition in mind. However, you have been a competitive cyclist (while I've been an enthusiast only). So for what it's worth I would suggest that you stay in the sport, and contribute to the sport.
To wit:
1. Stay in cycling for the fitness benefits, but reframe your goals to stay functionally fit for reduced riding plus other daily demands.
2. Begin investing what you know in others.
- Cycling: Is there a high school team nearby? Or, if there is not a team, is there a school nearby where might you sponsor one?
- Wrenching: chances are your knowledge of the mechanics can be passed on along with what you know about riding itself. Find those openings and give some kid "a leg up" with the tutelage of a wise mentor.
3. Recognize we all have to embrace our end-game. No matter what our life work, we can face the changes of aging with a plan that gives us a sense of dignity and worth on the way out, or, we can lapse into denial and stumble our way to the end without value to our-self or others. Your choice, that. I think you can glean which approach I'm taking.
Naturally all of this is offered as my humble opinion. If it helps so be it, if not, no sweat.
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